New Abu Dhabi Layout (45 posts)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years ago:

    Except for that stupid double haiprin before the existing one. Otherwise, it’s pretty much just the same as my idea of making it a figure-eight design.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years ago:

    It’s amazing how much better the track becomes as a figure-of-8 but yes, the triple U-turn is a horrible idea and you probably don’t need the Esses anymore when coming out of the Marina section.

    I’m liking the sound of the official changes though.

  • Profile picture of electrolite electrolite said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Yes I’m bringing this thread back to attention. A.) because the GP is coming up and B) it’s fun. Although Calum’s is the tastiest solution I’ve seen, (the twisty turny section before the hairpin could be ironed out a bit), here’s one I made a while ago but don’t remember posting anywhere. The decent thing about the plot is that the area towards the end of sector 1 is big enough to allow for tweaking.

    http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1858/abudhab.png

    The Maggots/Becketts-esque kink is already a bit of road as far as I can see. The hairpin is also wider here. the chicane in the middle of the two straights as you can see is relaxed, but it could always stay as it is…after all we saw overtaking there in 2009, of all years! And at the end of the second straight I’ve done a bit of a reverse Lesmo.

    I’ve tried consider the need for safety (like, slowing down) whilst not knocking down buildings down if you’re reading this, Hermann

  • Profile picture of PJ PJ said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    The chicane before the hairpin can’t be cut in F1 as there’s not enough run-off at that point to stop Lewis or Felipe from ploughing into the grandstand.

  • Profile picture of James Brickles James Brickles said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    This is my version. I’ve always hated the Abu Dhabi circuit but even I’m happy with the changes I’ve made.

    http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6717/abetterversionoftheabud.png

    From the start finish straight to the end of turn 3 is untouched. Turn 4, 5 and 6 is the extra quick little bit of track rather than the straight run down to the turn 7 hairpin. Speaking of which, turn 7 has been opened out to a third gear corner, sort of like Rivage from Spa because a short slow corner into a ~1km long straight (As proved with many Tilke circuits) only creates space between cars and therefore no overtaking. Medium speed corners actually create overtaking opportunities.

    The turn 8 and 9 chicane has been opened out making use of other bits of circuit (Presumably the club version of Abu Dhabi). It’s sort of like a Les Fagnes [believe it or not my favourite corner on Spa] or maybe more like turn 5 and 6 from Montreal.

    The fiddly little complex of the original circuit has been change to a double left, the second apex a lot faster (If not flat-out).

    I’ve kept the first of the right turns of the original circuit because it’s part of a long run straight down to what would become the final corner bypassing ALL of the marina section because that’s REALLY boring. It’ll also hopefullyl create a third overtaking opportunity. I’ve noticed an access bridge that goes over the second of the back straights but it’s Abu Dhabi, they have all the money in the world to change it :P

  • Profile picture of James Brickles James Brickles said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Something else I should mention is that the new length is 4.89km, around the length of Imola, so 63 laps sounds almost unique in modern F1 ;)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Okay, here’s my latest idea – turning Abu Dhabi into a Suzuka-style figure-of-eight:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5179228

    The big problem with the circuit is the section along the waterfront and under the hotel. It’s slow, and it’s boring. It’s also the biggest problem with reconfiguring the layout because there is no space in the infield to circumvent it. So it has to be used. The trick is to use it effectively.

    In this version of the circuit, the cars line up on the grid in the opposite direction to what they currently do. The last turn becomes the first. The cars then use the roads that are in place to allow for shorter layouts to enter the back section of the circuit. They then go down to the bottom of the circuit, where the chicane has been reprofiled to become a single corner. Hopefully, this corner and the next will actually be a long double-apex bend that can either be treated as one corner or two.

    The cars go up around the hotel, and as they exit it, they hit a purpose-built flyover that carries them over the first turn. This is the only new section of the circuit, curving around to the run-off under the grandstands at the switchback (which no longer exists) and onto the back straight. The cars then take the current first sector of the lap in reverse, bypassing the chicane after the hairpin and then zig-zagging up over the hill to the current first corner, which is now the last turn.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    That actually makes it a circuit which could be pretty good rather than even just acceptable.

  • Profile picture of electrolite electrolite said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    That’s a track I’d love to race on.

  • Profile picture of Dan_the_McLaren_fan Dan_the_McLaren_fan said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    In another forum where I’m active, we’re making fun by showing how we would change the layout on this circuit. We take this picture : http://blog.autoplus.fr/moncet/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/03-yas-marina-circuit-mas.jpg , we draw our layout with Paint on it, and we’re showing our creations.

    Theses are my propositions :

    http://sournoishack.com/uploads/13167906803_yas_marina_circuit_mas.jpg

    (with this one, I tried to stay a bit realistic, despite going around the hotel).

    http://sournoishack.com/uploads/123708469603_yas_marina_circuit_mas_1_.jpg

    (this one is less realistic, and it would need to have a brdige built like in Valencia).

    http://sournoishack.com/uploads/42446028603_yas_marina_circuit_mas.jpg

    (this one is lazy, and totaly unrealistic :-) ).

    What do you think about these?

  • Profile picture of James Brickles James Brickles said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    I still prefer my modifications but I do love your imagination Dan ;) I actually like your last one, a race with that layout would be totally unique.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Haha, if only the last one could ever exist. Need more temples of speed, not cookie-cutter cut-and-paste designs.

    One thing Abu Dhabi could look into to get rid of the chicane before the hairpin is do what India did with Turn 3 – wide entry, tight exit. Drivers could take different lines to set themselves up, but the corner would still be slow enough for the amount of run-off available.

  • Profile picture of Calum Calum said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    I got the ball rolling for a figure of 8 a few months ago, but that layout I did was rubbish.
    Here’s my new one, I think it’s a lot better than my previous one:

    http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2395/calum.png

    Sector 1 remains, the first few corners aren’t too bad, quite quick and flow so they are a positive.
    The hairpin complex also remains, it gets a lot of stick but it has to be there to slow cars down enough in order for them to get close to the expensive seats of the wrap around grandstand.
    The first change is on the main straight: use the chicane just to break speeds so it’s not all full-throttle – this changes the dynamic of this section of track.
    Next up, the big change (that we’re unlikey to see) – needs lots of new infrastructure – build bridge over the pit straight, and after the straight bridge have a fast left hander gently downhill sloping towards the hotel section.
    Under hotel section is a must! must! must! for this track, it’s part of making it a success – having the hotel where rich fans will pay top dollar for F1, and also makes a unique selling point for the race, anyway a very sharp right hander is needed to slow the cars enough to make them pass safely under the hotel – so leave this section as it is currently.

    Now we are at the marina section – current turn 15 and 16. Lose the strict geometry of the 45 and 90 degree corner by making it like turn 13 and 14 at Sepang but in reverse – it starts tight but widens out. More fluid and natural rather than rigid angles of track.

    Move onto the current 11,12 and 13 turns – get rid of them and utilise the space by making a multi apex Turn 8 style corner.

    Current 8 and 9 stay the same, with another tight corner added to take the track under the bridge and back onto the home straight.

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    That would be fun to drive, gets rid of a lot of the nine 90 degree corners, makes them more fluid, adds some talking points like the bridge and “turn 8 Turkey” replica.

    Feel free to use this….

    http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2395/calum.png

    …..Herman ;)

  • Profile picture of August August said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    I was discussing about this on another forum, and I quote here a message of mine.

    “I think I’ve realised what makes Interlagos’s main straight and Spa’s Kemmel straight so good overtaking places. Interlagos’s 3rd sector enables cars to drive close to the car ahead, as most corners are slow. But then, there’s faster Mergulho corner, which somewhat stretches the queue before Juncao. Abu Dhabi’s problem is that the chicane before T7 causes the car behind catch the car ahead, making the car behind unable to get a speed advantage for the following straight. At Interlagos’s Juncao the car behind can get speed advantage for the long straight, and besides, the downforce loss’s effect at Juncao is not too big.

    I think Spa is somewhat similar. Before Eau Rouge, there are the slow corners of Bus Stop and La Source, enabling the car behind get close. Then, Eau Rouge is a corner where you can gain speed compared to the car ahead. But Abu Dhabi. I think the pit straight would offer best overtaking opportunities, but it’s just too short, and you can’t lenghten it, because of a canal. IIRC, Alonso was often closest to Petrov exactly at the pit straight, because Abu Dhabi’s S3 has somewhat similar features to Interlagos’s S3. The hotel complex’s 90-deg corners are slow enabling the car behind catch the car ahead. Then, there’s somewhat long straight followed by a medium speed penultimate corner. The last corner is a bit Juncao-like, enabling the car behind get speed advantage. The start of the lap is maybe the nicest section to drive, but it’s bad for overtaking. I’d say it’s the only part of the circuit where the car behind loses downforce, and replacing chicane-hairpin sequence by a long-radius corner, as has been proposed in this thread, wouldn’t help overtaking either, because of downforce loss. So, I think a Juncao-like 90-deg corner before the long straight might be the least bad corner before the long straight. But that wouldn’t be a good solution considering the grandstands at the hairpin. Also, the T8-T9 chicane could be a bit faster, making overtaking at the second straight maybe a bit easier. But, redesigning the circuit and relocating the grandstands might be the only way to make Yas Marina provide good racing. ”

    Then, I thought that let’s change the direction of the track, so that S3 becomes S1.

    http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8290/abudhabif.jpg

    The hotel complex would need some reprofiling to accomodate some runoffs at brakings. But the first significant change would be at the place of current T11-T14. I’d replace those corners with a 90-deg corner leading to a flat-out sweep, like at Interlagos’s Juncao. Then, the chicane between the long straights would have a sweeping exit. As the straight leading to hairpin would need some runoff at the hairpin, I have a tight turn already some 200 meters before the hairpin, and then have an ‘arena section’ at the place of hairpin. After the hairpin there would now be no need for the chicane, but the current T1-T3 might need some reprofiling because of different runoffs needed for different driving direction.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5185785

    First of all, the chicane before the hairpin is faster. It still slows the cars down for the actual hairpin, it just doesn’t require the cars to come to a near-halt.

    Secondly, the switchback. The first corner is no longer as sharp, and it then joins up with part of the circuit that isolates the back half.

    Thirdly, the bottom corner. The chicane is gone; it’s now a heavy braking zone before opening up into a corner that the cars can accelerate through. This also turns the existing Turn 15 into a very fast left-right flick.

    Finally, the hotel and the final corner. There is actually a car park on the inside of the penultimate corner; this circuit cuts through it, and then turns the final corner into a double-apex bend where the first apex is slower than the second.

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