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Overtake/Defender of the Year

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  • #127992
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    It’s getting to that time of year again – we move into the final phase of the championship, and with it comes discussions of the best passing move all season. It might be a little earlier than usual for this but given the way Kamui Kobayashi wrongly won last year by passing Jenson Button at Abu Dhabi (given that Button had literally just come out of the pits and Kobayashi hadn’t) and Kimi Raikkonen wrongfully claimed the runner-up position (given that he simply pressed the KERS button to drive around Fisichella), I figure it’s high time to start an early discussion and referesh everyone’s memories of the best passes so far this year. I’ve like to start by nominating Petrov for sticking it to Rosberg at Les Combes. Defender of the Year can go to Liuzzi for simply ignoring the person trying to drive around him at the same corner.

    #143805

    Kobayashi was in his 2nd race, Jenson Button had just been crowned World Champion. Kobayashi was absolutely deserving of Overtake of the Year.

    I completely agree with you about Petrov, though.

    #143806
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    Kobayashi was absolutely deserving of Overtake of the Year.

    Except that Button was heavy on fuel and with brand-new tyres. Kobayashi wasn’t – he was light and still had decent grip. I could have caught Button. This of it this way; if it had been Hamilton who caught Button at the time, it wouldn’t have won the away. But no, since it’s Kamui Cowboyashi and it’s only his second race, it’s a miracle pass. Sorry, but Koabayshi deserved squat for that move. Given the way people talk about him, you’d be forgiven for thinking he’s the Japanese Aryton Senna – but so far, he’s consistently failed to live up to the extreme hype.

    #143807
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    Petrov was very good but Hamilton breezing around the outside of Rosberg at Aus was just crazy.

    Agree about Kobayashi though

    #143808
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    oh also mas at Canada with the FI when traffic got in the way. Good opportunism so that gets a nod but not the full award

    #143809
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    It’s easy to get carried away when a rookie driver passes world champions. But I don’t think anyone is saying he’s as good as Senna. But he has still done a great job.

    As for pass of the year, I’d probably say Kobayashi on Alonso (I’m getting carried away again). It was from far back, and there was no contact. Alonso may have been asleep, but it was still a bold move.

    #143810
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    I didn’t rate Kobay on Alo either as he was on brand new tyres and Alo’s were dead, there was nothing he could do. I was much more impressed with the skill Kobay drove the race and thought the passes were nothing special. Just my (usualoly wrong) opinion though

    #143811
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    My current vote goes to Hamilton on Vettel and another driver at the hairpin in China, clever double overtake.

    I was impressed with Kubica defending against Webber today and Liuzzi holding off Schumacher too, probably not my pick for the award though.

    #143812
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    Petrov on Rosberg was great.

    Alguersuari on Hulkenberg in Malaysia.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB99PY2sr3U

    Kobayashi on Alonso was brilliant also, just for hilarity.

    #143813
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    the thing about KOB on ALO in valencia was that he was overtaking a double world champ in a ferrari with such confidence and precision. would ALG, BUE or HULk have done that? I think not. anyway, it’s not overtake of the year for me. still very impressive.

    HAM on ROS in Aus was good.

    even BAR on SHU was bold in hungary. that required some balls.

    HAM on BUT in turkey tuen 1 was pretty good too.

    #143814
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    I’m not really sure any single driver has been particularly impressive in this respect. I guess if you’re looking for the most DETERMINED defenders, that’s Michael Schumacher. Hamilton has always been a good overtaker, but to be honest, he hasn’t really needed to much this season. On the other end of the scale, Alonso has found himself at the back of the field several times this season and has managed to pass loads of cars in working his way up to the front, but none of them were exactly challenging.

    If I had to pick an overtaker, I guess I’d be torn between Petrov and Kobayashi. As for a defender, one of the Red Bull drivers.

    #143815
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    So far:

    Overtaker of the Year: Kobayashi (Runners-Up: Hamilton, Webber)

    Overtake of the Year: Petrov on Rosberg – Belgium (Runners-Up: Kobayashi on Alonso – Valencia, Schumacher on Alonso – Monaco)

    Defender of the Year: Schumacher

    #143816
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    Webber on Massa at Aus this year was pretty good.

    #143817
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    Hamilton has to be overtaker of the year – in the first few races he was regularly working his way through the field. Australia was a stunning drive. His re-overtake of Button in Turkey was excellent too.

    Defender of the year I would put down as Kobayashi on Button, keeping him behind for 50 odd laps, that was impressive because it took a lot of concentration and precision in an inferior car.

    As to the old Kob on Button at Abby Dabby debate from last year – Button carked the braking point and missed the corner. That’s not an overtake. End of story.

    #143818
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    Hello Chaps and Chappeses. Im back from holiday after 7weeks tanned an i just watched the belgium on iplayer. AWESOME race, best starting sequence in the sport, one of the few places you can see the true speed of f1 cars on the telly.

    Anyways, good question, I’d go with Hamilton as overtaker of the year, partly because of the shear number of competative overtakes he made at the start of the season but also due to the spectacular nature of a few of them. Also a highly improved not overtaker, wait for your moment an the place will come better.

    Defender has to be Sutil, his car is ideally suited to it, but using superior straight line speed and awesome placement to defend from cars with a faintly silly cornering advantage over yourself is Gilles esc and highly skilled. If I was Renault I’d sign him, to hell with Petrovs improvement, Kobayashi has more points than he

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