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Perez told by Ferrari to “take care of Alonso” in 2012?

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  • #229022
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    @catracho504 A couple of things:

    -Alonso wasn’t going to catch Kimi regardless of what happened. Kimi still had a lot of speed left in him as we saw at the end.

    -It’s unreasonable to assume that RoGro took Alonso out on purpose because Grosjean ran straight into Hamilton, and had absolutely no guarantee that the car would go anywhere near Alonso.

    #229024
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    Perez cost Alonso a lot of points last season in Italy and Canada where he didn’t hesitate to pass him and in Malaysia the idea that Perez deliberately ran wide is so silly that it amazes me that Keith even entertained it on this site. If he was getting messages to “take care of Alonso” it was clearly not a message telling him you’re not allowed to race him and if it was he was obviously ignoring it! As he said himself he made no distinction between Alonso and other cars. It’s more likely if there was pressure on him it was in the sense of “if you take Alonso out of a race with a reckless move it will hurt your chances of a future with Ferrari,” which I reckon is probably pretty common with young drivers with hopes of moving to bigger teams.

    Either way it’s interesting that the Perez – Ferrari stories continue to have traction even though he raced Alonso hard at every opportunity, yet when the STRs moved over for Vettel in Brazil there were no complaints.

    #229025
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    @ads21

    yet when the STRs moved over for Vettel in Brazil there were no complaints.

    Thanks a lot, now there’s Pepsi all over my keyboard.

    #229026
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    I think ‘Take care of’ just means don’t crash into him, be a bit careful around him, which is logical considering Alonso was fighting for the WDC. Why wouldn’t Ferrari ask a customer team who is not fighting for the WDC to do this. It doesn’t mean don’t race or don’t attack, just be careful, sounds fair enough to me! Nothing like a good bit of media interpretation and spin to generate interest and rile up those tin foil hat wearing ‘fans’.

    #229028
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    @brazil2007

    -Alonso wasn’t going to catch Kimi regardless of what happened. Kimi still had a lot of speed left in him as we saw at the end.
    -It’s unreasonable to assume that RoGro took Alonso out on purpose because Grosjean ran straight into Hamilton, and had absolutely no guarantee that the car would go anywhere near Alonso.

    How do you figure he was never gonna catch him?? You might be right if you are reffering to the backmarkers…. before those came up… Alonso was whacking away at Kimi´s lead like .7 seconds or something like that per lap… and with regards to your second comment, I´m guessing you´ve never gone bowling…. same effect sir.

    @mclaren

    Alonso fears Hamilton thus he vetoed him joining Ferrari

    Geez, you must really have good contacts since I take it you have seen the contract where it says so…
    The hillarious thing about you bringing up hamilton is… He´s my second driver! For sure I hated him in 2007 but, I can give credit where it is due… and Hamilton has won me over and has earned my respect. And just to make one thing clear… even Hamilton wants to beat Alonso… I thought he did?! hahhahahaa Just goes to show you… He even had to mention Seb at the end as to not sound too disrespectful… I wonder why he did that…
    And about Vettel…. well, you might have your opinion but…. as it was seen on the British GP 2011… when Vettel did not have his EBD and thus, not the best car on the grid…. who won??
    Also…. where did he qualify in Australia in 2012 when he still didn´t have the best car??? yeah… greatest driver my @$$…

    @asanator

    I think ‘Take care of’ just means don’t crash into him, be a bit careful around him, which is logical considering Alonso was fighting for the WDC. Why wouldn’t Ferrari ask a customer team who is not fighting for the WDC to do this. It doesn’t mean don’t race or don’t attack, just be careful, sounds fair enough to me! Nothing like a good bit of media interpretation and spin to generate interest and rile up those tin foil hat wearing ‘fans’.

    Totally agree with you on this… it´s just sad that some, bring this up to try and “hate” on Ferrari… I mean, if you´re gonna hate, don´t bring up an article that also involves your team. This would say as much about Sauber as it would about Ferrari if it were true.

    #229033
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    Losing 32-14 to the mighty Buemi in qualifying, and not taking a top six finish in 46 races had nothing to do with Jaime losing his seat @todfod ? Alguersuari is the most overrated driver I can remember, with all the excuses used to cover his time and sacking in F1.

    As for the main topic, no, Perez wasn’t taking care around Alonso, @mclaren , he was pushing to pass him in Sepang for instance, and made an error in doing so.

    #229034
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    @celeste

    I did watch the Brazilian grand prix thanks, and after the race Helmit Marko come out and accused webber of holding up Vettel, so that just shows that Vettel is and will always be their number 1 driver. Lets not forget that Webber also eventually let vettel through to gain the place he needed to win title number 3 as well.

    #229035
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    No use trying to speculate..this way our skeletons would be bickering with each other till kingdom come, or whatever..

    This is not the first time Ferrari have been accused of this, nor will it be the last. As for Perez, I would take whatever he says with a pinch of salt.

    Red Bull have been accused of doing so with Toro Rosso, while McLaren and Williams also formed a pact to stop Ferrari and Schumacher in the late ’90s.

    Unless something comes out blatantly in the open, there’s no use discussing it. I’m shocked with some of the comments here already, seems that it is bringing out the worst in people.

    Let’s just sit back, cool off and enjoy the Formula One season, guys!!

    Anyway, this is the translation of what Perez acc. to Google Translate:
    “You should ask one by one. In my case it is not, I do not make distinctions between them. Last year, when I was communicating with Ferrari, they often asked me to take care of Alonso, but do not know if they ask whether or not the whole grid. A I do not care if Vettel or Alonso. The only one it would be a little easier if my partner that would give us a great result in a weekend.”

    Have a great weeked. Enjoy.

    #229036
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    #229037
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    Keith Collantine
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    the idea that Perez deliberately ran wide is so silly that it amazes me that Keith even entertained it on this site

    I never wrote that. In fact if you read the article again you’ll see I specifically addressed and rejected that suggestion.

    #229038
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    @wsrgo wrote: “while McLaren and Williams also formed a pact to stop Ferrari and Schumacher in the late ’90s.”

    not to hijack this thread, but would love to know more about this.

    #229039
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    @abdurahman A most strong example was Jerez ’97. James Allen wrote about it in his Michael Schumacher biography ‘The Edge Of Greatness’. Schumacher went into the last race 1 point ahead of Villeneuve in the Williams. McLaren and Williams formed a pact which was that the McLarens would make it easy for Villeneuve if, during any point of the race, Villeneuve was behind one of them. That happened when Villeneuve boxed and came out behind Coulthard, who had fuel for several more laps, but pitted the following lap to release Villeneuve. According to Allen, throughout the race, Williams team members were coming and going from the McLaren pits.

    #229040
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    Wow, that’s fascinating. Makes me want to dig into the history for more examples of that.

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