Poor relationship between Hamilton and engineer? (36 posts)

  • Profile picture of LL Jehto LL Jehto said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    kernsie,
    Yes, I’m anti-Hamilton. Because I think he’s petulant, childish, arrogant, etc. and because I avaluate people like that, including drivers (why? just because).

    About the issue of personal responsability (when you talk about the people that surround LH and influence his choices), Trix has already brilliantly explained this, much better than I can ever do, but I’m still going to recommend you a book, about these issues. It was written by a Spanish filosopher called Fernando Savater (don’t worry, no relation, just an homonymous).

    The book is called “Ética para Amador” (“Ethics for Amador” although in some countries has the name “Ethics for a young man”). It was written by Savater for his 15 year old child, Amador, and talks about ethics, freedom of choice and the personal responsability for our actions that freedom carries. It was written for a 15 year old “young man”, but it’s also meant for adults, anyone with at least 14,15.
    It’s a good book, I recommend.

  • Profile picture of kearnsie kearnsie said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Trix,
    I do like a list… In response
    1- Earlier comments on this thread certainly implied there has always been an issue with Hamilton’s attitude and approach and I happen to disagree.. I’m sure as a rule the discussion is balanced and objective.
    2 – I’m certainly not making any case to defend Hamilton, or excuse him. I think he is making the wrong choices. Only time will tell but I think he is currently moving in 100% in the wrong direction. Well I say wrong, whilst these choices are not gonna make him a multiply WC, they probally will get him a film deal, plenty of endorsments, a year or two in Indycars and make him a billionaire. F1 racing legend he certainly won’t be.
    3 – Yep agree.. Brand Hamilton looks like being the objective. Maybe he thought he could get both, but the reality would appear to be it’s one or the other. And earlier advisers, messers Hamilton and Dennis would have ( I believe), kept his focus the other.
    4 – I’m not saying Hamilton allowed vettel to shine, but I think he did open the door a little more than Hamilton version 1 would’ve done and Vettel took the opportunity. Clearly Vettel is an exceptional driver, and I know the table doesn’t lie at the end of the season, but in the final race it could’ve gone many ways and I think others lost in 2010 rather than he won it. Within Milton Keynes there was consideral noise that they failed to win the 2009 constructors championship and that they should’ve wrapped up 2010 well before they did. Of course that’s history now, but the reality is Vettel is now in the position Hamilton was. The difference is Vettel is seizing the opportunity and building on it.

  • Profile picture of Deleted User said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Well I’m glad we’re all coming to some form agreement as I can conclude from our (Kearnsie, LL Jehto and my little self) posts on this thread that there is definitely something off with Hamilton and that there is an immense gap between the guy who started in F1, thirsty and concentrated, and the one we have now (I think LL, aside from his honest and open anti-Hamilton claim, has nailed it with the adjective “childish”). Unfortunately, things should go in reverse order when one matures: you should kick off a bit child-like, too eager and making mistakes because of this, then grow up, finally properly develop in wisdow and with experience (it’s been said a few times before: HAM 2011 is VET 2010).

    I’m not a F1 fan with a particular driver/team love. I tend to be a real rookie girl. I stand up for the newbies, follow them up and speak with a certain je-ne-sais-quoi of tenderness about them. Hamilton & Vettel are beyond their rookie years by now so I’m quite neutral about both of them although I will admit that these two guys scored very high as “rookies I’ll always have a soft spot for” when they first entered the arena.
    Moreover, I will also admit I’m still surprised Hamilton has made such odd choices lately. I really expected him to already be a two if not three time WDC winner by now whereas I was not as enthusiastic about Da Finger Boy(really, who saw Red Bull coming?). Oh, how things change when the future unfolds into the present.

    I might be cheeky and a bit of a tease most of the time, but I’m quite hopeful and good at heart so I’m hoping that Hamilton finds his way back into the proper F1 Champ’ mode. Or that he finds that firy passion wherever it may be (if he wants to go into Indycar, fine by me, as long as he doesn’t regret leaving F1 months/years/decades later when lying in bed alone at night).
    As for Vettel, may he not follow Hamilton’s example and keep building up the Champion career he so badly desires to achieve.
    However, may the other teams give him and Red Bull Racing some serious chasing and headaches to get to that Major Champion title. I want more action, period. (Kamui, I’m counting on you for some serious disco moves on the track in the seasons to come!)

    PS: LL, thank you for the kind compliment about my previous post. You’re always very nice when it comes to recognising the efforts done by other F1F forum posters and that’s a lovely human quality.

  • Profile picture of LL Jehto LL Jehto said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    now you are the one being overly nice..

  • Profile picture of electrolite electrolite said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    I think this topic raises an excellent discussion point, Sato. So it’s a shame it’s been interpreted by some posters solely as an opportunity to have a go. But anyway. I’ve often thought his engineer sounds too robotic, too Mclarenish (yeah that’s a word) and PR conscious. For a driver some may describe as fiery, perhaps ‘passionate’ or ‘aggressive’, on this basis it’s not an ideal marriage. On the radio it often sounds as if Lewis is trying to get his emotions across, and indeed wanting at least some sign of emotion in return during his moments of frustration. I appreciate Mclaren and the engineer are probably just being professional and controlled about it; however, in those sorts of situations, someone with a bit of charm, character or drive in their register might help him.

  • Profile picture of LL Jehto LL Jehto said 1 year, 10 months ago:

    Like Lewis would say, “every opportunity is a good opportunity [to have a go]“, right?

    On the subject of race engineers and their conversations with the drivers, all this story of team radio ever since it showed up on the live transmissions seemed to me a bit BigBrotheresque: is it really that important for the “show” us (and everyone) knowing what they are saying to each other? Shouldn’t they have privacy? to be able to curse at ease and call his fellow drivers ugly names without them knowing? I think they should. Sometimes it looks more of a drama production the coverage of a F1 race. German 2010:

    Massa leads Alonso, but Alonso leads Massa on the championship; needs the extra 7 points to be able to put Ferrari in contention.
    Alonso tries and fails to pass Massa when Massa struggles with new tyres
    Alonso falls back (seemingly on purpose) to be able to get near Massa again, showing “he’s faster” (meanwhile Vettel, the 3rd is closing down)
    Alonso Team Radio “This is ridiculous”
    Rob Smedley close-up, looking worried.
    Smedley Team Radio, “Ok.. So.. Fernando is faster than you; Can you confirm you understood this message?”
    Massa slows down to let Alonso pass. Alonso does it.
    Smedley Team Radio, “Sorry.. Good lad”
    New close-up of Smedley and other Ferrari team members

    end of the race, Smedley Team Radio, “you were magnanimous… etc etc”

    So, do we really need this?
    Damn, maybe I’m talking sh*t, this is definitely good drama!

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