Schumacher: ”You will never end up with a stuck rear wing” (2011) (33 posts)

Topic tags: 2012 Canadian Grand Prix, DRS, Michael Schumacher
  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    DRS doesn’t take away a driver’s ability to brake.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    DRS doesn’t take away a driver’s ability to brake.

    Did you bother reading my comment fully @Prisoner-monkeys? I also said it’s easily compensated. But the pincher is when the driver doesn’t know that his DRS is gone. ie he activates the DRS along the straight – and slams on the brakes. Wham – the wing doesn’t come down. Imagine if that happened into Les Combes? What then?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    DRS fuanmentally alters the way a car behaves. If a driver steps on the brake pedal and finds that he’s got absolutely no downforce, I’d say he’s going to notice.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @prisoner-monkeys Yes, he will absolutely notice.

    But if he’s braking on the limit, as late as he can, for the level of downforce he’d have with DRS CLOSED, that’s too late. The reduced downforce also means reduced braking, ie longer braking distances.

    Not to mention how many drivers nowadays trail their braking, further shortening their braking distances.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    “If a driver steps on the brake pedal and finds that he’s got absolutely no downforce, I’d say he’s going to notice.”

    And if that happens either in a big braking zone or before a hugely fast and downforce reliant section, he’s going to know about it because he’s already heading to a wall. Generally, Merc have it bad if they aren’t prepared, as they will have lost the most braking performance. But at least if it happens before Eau Rouge, the car will have shed downforce front and back due to double DRS, so the car will be better balanced than if it happened to another car, which will become very unbalanced and more likely to spin out at high speed I imagine (although unexpectedly heading straight off can’t be fun, even if it is more controllable).

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    And modern safety standards are so high that even in the event of a big accident, the driver is highly likely to walk away without injury.

    This isn’t really an issue – the people who are jumping on the “DRS is unsafe” bandwagon probably don’t care about the actual safety to teams and drivers. They’re the system’s detractors, and (like I said) are doing or saying whatever they think will get the system banned.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    DRS in itself, even if stuck in the open position, is not unsafe – as long as the driver knows about it. If the driver for some weird reason does not realise the DRS is open until he’s entering a fast corner or a braking zone – that still is a bad thing in my book.

  • Profile picture of bag0 bag0 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Just like Webber in Monza last year, it was the front wing, I know, but the effect is almost the same you almost have no breaks.

  • Profile picture of The Radical The Radical said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Interesting theory on Schuey’s woes? http://real-motorsport.com/2012/06/12/schumi-sabotaged/

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @radical – Well, that was the most unintentionally-hilarious things I’ve read this week.

    No, seriously. It was ridiculous. Why on earth would Mercedes want to fire Schumacher? I they really had their heart set of vacating that seat, they would just wait to the end of the year and not renew his contract. There is no immediately-obvious candidate to replace him, his pace in Monaco qualifying showed that he still has what it takes, and if Mercedes are intentionally-sabotaging him, they’re costing themselves valuable World Constructors’ Championship points at a time when they are said to be locking horns with Bernie Ecclestone over the 2013 Concorde Agreement because Ecclestone (supposedly) doesn’t think the team is as important to Formula 1 as other teams are.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    “And modern safety standards are so high that even in the event of a big accident, the driver is highly likely to walk away without injury.”

    DRS isn’t allowed through Eau Rouge, so the FIA clearly feel that an accident there wouldn’t be safe. And considering how big an impact Perez had last year, I wouldn’t push the line that it doesn’t matter if DRS is dangerous because the cars are safe. I’m not using this as an excuse to ban DRS (I want that to happen for other reasons), I’m just saying that it is a serious incident and shouldn’t be overlooked.

  • Profile picture of W-K W-K said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I do think there is a case for the FIA to say, until the system is modified and proved to close safe, then Mercedes cannot run DRS.
    It must be noted that during a race, the first time the brakes will be applied after the DRS can be opened, is when the car is within one second of the car in front. If the possible overtake doesn’t succede then the following driver with a stuck open DRS will probably still be within 1 sec of the car in front. A very likely outcome is two cars a very differnet speeds, with the following car nowhere to go except into the leading car. Not a good move, when we are going to Valencia, the scene of Mark’s loop-de-loop.

  • Profile picture of The Radical The Radical said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @prisoner-monkeys the piece was written with a grain of salt… Simply making a point of how comical Schuey’s woes have been this season! He is driving as well as ever, that’s why I couldn’t understand why Mercedes would do anything to encourage his retirement.

  • Profile picture of Keith Collantine Keith Collantine said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @radical I’ve no idea who wrote that article, it doesn’t seem to have a byline, but it’s complete garbage.

  • Profile picture of Estesark Estesark said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    When­ever Schu­macher retires, for instance, every race, the Mer­cedes big-wigs are not­i­ca­bly coy about the cause of his demise, adding fur­ther cred­i­bil­ity to the argument.

    “They’re not saying anything, which means my theory must be right”. Infallible logic there.

    Schumacher will be at Mercedes until the end of the season. Beyond that, who knows, but I’d bet my house that he won’t be “sacked” mid-season.

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