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Seb Vettel – why all the hatred? (105 posts)

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katederby said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

I have never thought of Dietrich Mateschitz as the problem regarding why Vettel isn’t liked but the constant presence of Helmet Marko in Vettel’s side of the garage could irk people. It does look like Vettel has ‘his man’ right in the heart of the RBR team, which might be seen as a clear advantage over his team mate. The perception that Vettel is the favoured one may well alienate some fans.

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Jake said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

A lot of my problem is not with Vettel, but with his fans that consistently accuse me of “hating” Vettel, and unfairly discriminating against him, just because in my opinion (which is shared by many within F1, including Fernando Alonso), he isn’t quite at the same level as Alonso and Hamilton.

I respect his abilities, and think he’s a great chap (other than sometimes coming off as a bit arrogant, but which F1 driver doesn’t?), but every time I put forward a belief that Hamilton is a better driver (just my opinion), I’m accused of wild jealousy and “hating” him because of it.

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matt90 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

Every driver has overly aggressive fans to be fair though. Hamilton, Vettel, and Alonso are all the same, and it’s annoying to be attacked by any of them for no sensible reason. I put forward my view the other day that being fastest in practice counts for nothing in a driver of the weekend vote, which is completely true, and was told that if Hamilton and Vettel’s weekends were reversed, I would have voted for Hamilton due to him topping practice. I don’t appreciate that. But by the same measure, despite being a fan of both Hamilton and Button, in the past I have been accused of hating those drivers too. This is not unique to fans of Vettel.

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Ginola14 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@raymondu999
@katederby

Sorry it is my mistake. I meant Helmut Marko actually. Edited my post accordingly.
Some of Helmut Marko’s comments against Webber are really embarrassing. Turkey 2010 the nadir.

@raymondu999

Dietrich is a known Webber fanboy? Wow, i really didnt know that.

He is hardly seen at races at all for an owner of 2 F1 teams and does not attract much publicity so the fact that he is a Webber fan if true is understandably not that well-known.

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raymondu999 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@Ginola14 Hardly seen at races? He’s at over 50% of the races actually. However he doesn’t like publicity, preferring to stay quiet. As such, he generally isn’t seen. But yes, it’s understandable that he and his fanhood of Webber are not well known.

Apparently he’s been instrumental in keeping Webber in the team.

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katederby said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@Ginola14
No problem, yes Marko’s comments don’t reflect well on RBR and by connection on Vettel.

@raymondu999
Yes, Mateschitz does keep a low profile but I’m sure he only attends a few races a year; Germany, Hungary, maybe and a couple at the back end of the season. He clearly respects Webber as a driver and as a man, but it’s not well known.

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Jake said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

I wouldn’t call Mateschitz a Webber “Fanboy”. I think it’s more that he appreciates that without Webber, Red Bull probably wouldn’t be the team they are today, and therefore, he has a lot of respect for him and wants to reward him with the option of continuing on in the team.

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Ginola14 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@Jake

I think it’s more that he appreciates that without Webber, Red Bull probably wouldn’t be the team they are today, and therefore, he has a lot of respect for him and wants to reward him with the option of continuing on in the team.

That sounds plausible. People also sometimes forgot that Webber has been there since 2007. Quite a number of the mechanics and staff have been working together with Webber for the last 5 years. I would think they, and the newer staff as well, appreciate someone who has no airs like Webber around; we haven’t heard stories of staff having any problems with him. Apart from Helmut Marko of course who just sits back, does nothing much of note compared to the hard-working mechanics, engineers etc and shoots off his mouth whenever Golden Boy is being outshone by Webber.

It is also very peculiar how as soon as Webber signed a 2013 contract extension after being courted by Ferrari (prompting Red Bull to offer him a 2013 deal in haste), he started to have “issues” with his car and became so uncompetitive compared to Vettel. Before that, he had delivered 2 fine wins and scored more points compared to Golden Boy.

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Dizzy-A said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@ginola14

It is also very peculiar how as soon as Webber signed a 2013 contract extension after being courted by Ferrari (prompting Red Bull to offer him a 2013 deal in haste), he started to have “issues” with his car and became so uncompetitive compared to Vettel. Before that, he had delivered 2 fine wins and scored more points compared to Golden Boy.

Although Webber has been there since 2007, why does no-one take note of the even more experienced Coulthard, who worked with the team since 2005?

Also before (and after the summer break), Webber hadn’t delivered any other podiums. In fact, I can only recall 3 races all year where he has been faster than Vettel- Monaco, Britain and China.

Furthermore, why is it peculiar that Webber can have a dip in form in comparison to Vettel? Webber’s only just recovered from a season-and-a-half-long “dip in form”, from mid 2010 to the end of 2011.

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JB said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@Jake

My view on Webber is that RBR needs a #2 driver… And I guess that Mark has finnaly accepted the fact that he won´t be WDC in RBR but, he will win races, fight for the title at times and be considered good because of the media exposure RBR gets… so it´s not a bad deal for him actually…

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Ginola14 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@David-A

Although Webber has been there since 2007, why does no-one take note of the even more experienced Coulthard, who worked with the team since 2005?

I’m not quite sure how does DC figure in this discussion since we’re not judging the drivers by how far back in time they had started with the team. or who was there from its infancy.

Up to and including Britain 2012, there was 9 races. Taking the rain-hit Malaysia equation, Vettel was faster than Webber in the races 5 to 3 times – hardly a walloping you seem to insinuate.

Agreed that 2011 was a horrible year for Webber even taking into account the car didn’t suit him.
I don’t think he went to sleep in the 2nd half of 2010 like you said though. While his last win at Hungary that year was in August, he was still scoring podium finishes and serious points thereafter although his championship was slowly being chipped away. He choked at Korea and Abu Dhabi to be fair though. A Korean podium was easily attainable and would have won him the title but for his mistake on a wet track.

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Dizzy-A said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@ginola14 -

With the DC comment, I was more referring to the comment from @jake about RBR likely not being the team they are today without Webber. Why him, and not the drivers before and after him?

Although Vettel wasn’t “walloping” Webber in the first half of the season, I’m asking why periods of Vettel clearly outshining Webber are considered “peculiar” or down to Webber’s bad luck. Vettel usually has his share of misfortune and has never, for more than 1-2 races consecutively, been as far behind as Webber has been recently, nor during 2011.

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raymondu999 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

@ginola14 I think it’s more that the few races after the summer break aren’t really Mark’s strength circuits. He’s never done very well at places like Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Monza etc

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Kingshark said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

Vettel is the consistent Red Bull driver. Webber is more of a hit or miss type driver, on his day he’s as good as Seb if not better, when not, then he’s nowhere.

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raymondu999 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

Webber’s problem has never been speed – at tracks he likes he’s very fast. I’ve never known Webber to not put a strong performance at Monaco/Sepang/Barcelona, for example.

But he’s inconsistent in that, in my view, he’s too picky a driver – at the tracks he’s happy at he’s quick. Otherwise he’s not

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