Silly Season 2013 (494 posts)

  • Profile picture of Bradley Downton Bradley Downton said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @pamphlet – I’m not saying Senna’s outperformed Maldonado, I’m proving he’s not doing as badly as PM makes out.

    Um, he’s compeltely useless. He’s averaging one major incident every other race.

    So, most of the field must be utterly hopeless and not even worthy of a GP2 drive then? Considering he was 6th in Malaysia, beating a lot of people, 7th in China, beating a lot of people, etc
    Really? Please name these incidents, I must have missed them. The only incidents I can remember:
    The collision with Massa in AUS that was really Massa’s fault anyway.
    The touch with Pastor in Malaysia, which was a little silly, but probably helped him.
    The accident with Schumacher in Spain, that was Michael’s fault.
    Whereas Pastor has been involved in countless accidents.

    Really? Technically, he’s about to start his third season. If he hasn’t learnt how to drive a Formula 1 car by now, he has no business being in the sport.

    No, techinally he’s not. Technically this is his first proper season.
    With HRT, he missed a race and the car didn’t really count as a car for him to gain valuable F1 experience in.
    With Renault he was thrown in halfway through the year into a car that was, by that point, under-performing.
    I agree, he hasn’t demonstrated the car’s full potential, but it will come, just give him a chance.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Really? Please name these incidents, I must have missed them. The only incidents I can remember:

    Let’s see: crashing at Silverstone. Sliding off during qualifying in Spain. Causing an accident in Valencia. Blowing a lap that would have been good enough for Q3 in Bahrain. And that’s without mentioning the frequent mistakes while at Renault.

    No, techinally he’s not. Technically this is his first proper season.

    How many other drivers have been told “it’s okay, your first two seasons didn’t really count”? Because as far as I know, none of them have bee. So why should Bruno Senna be any different?

  • Profile picture of Bradley Downton Bradley Downton said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Let’s see: crashing at Silverstone. Sliding off during qualifying in Spain. Causing an accident in Valencia. Blowing a lap that would have been good enough for Q3 in Bahrain. And that’s without mentioning the frequent mistakes while at Renault.

    None of them have been in the races, as you first mentioned. I agree, the mistakes in qualifying were bad, but everyone makes mistakes, Alonso in Q2 in Australia?

    “it’s okay, your first two seasons didn’t really count”

    Any driver who does a season as a driver for HRT SHOULD be told that, and in a way Ricciardo was. Also, Senna with Renault wasn’t a season. It wasn’t even half a season, it doesn’t count.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    It wasn’t even half a season, it doesn’t count.

    It counted for every other driver who did half a season with a team.

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    How many other drivers have been told “it’s okay, your first two seasons didn’t really count”? Because as far as I know, none of them have bee. So why should Bruno Senna be any different?

    I agree, Senna saying that this year is his first real season is just him making a lame excuse for why he’s so far off Maldonado’s pace.

  • Profile picture of Bradley Downton Bradley Downton said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    It counted for every other driver who did half a season with a team.

    I disagree. I don’t count Grosjean as a rookie because he didn’t start in F1 this year without a race start to his name. But it’s still his first F1 season.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I disagree.

    Team pricnipals don’t see it that way. They’ll look at a driver’s full performance when considering them. And so far, after two full seasons (2010 plus the second half of 2011 and the first half of 2012), Bruno Senna isn’t performing.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Regarding Williams’ financials vs hiring Hamilton, I talked to a couple of paddock friends I have a while back, not about Hamilton but about the Raikkonen-Williams thing.

    As my friend understood it it was actually some conservative, “play it safe” fear that bottled Williams up and produced a chicken and egg scenario. Sponsors would want to see that Raikkonen was signed before sponsoring the team, but on the flipside, the team weren’t willing to risk hiring Raikkonen, but then having no additional sponsor money. Ie they counted on the additional sponsorship hiring Raikkonen would attract, to be able to hire Raikkonen, whereas the money wouldn’t come in until after they hired Raikkonen anyways.

    In any case, I’m hearing murmurs that Lewis’ management has been over to talk to the artists formerly known as Renault, aka “Team Enstone.”

    I don’t think Raikkonen-Hamilton will happen, so that leaves Hamilton-Grosjean. But where would that leave Raikkonen?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    In any case, I’m hearing murmurs that Lewis’ management has been over to talk to the artists formerly known as Renault, aka “Team Enstone.”

    That story was published by The Daily Mail (or, as they’re often known, The Daily Fail) within hours of Webber re-signing with Red Bull. The Mail had been pushing for Hamilton to join Red Bull ever since he started falling apart at the seams last year, because they were of the belief that if he changed teams, all of his problems would fix themselves and he would be World Champion because magic. Now that Red Bull is no longer an option in 2013, they’ve started rumours of a move to Lotus because Eric Boullier hasn’t re-signed Grojean and the Lotus looks competitive.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Except my source *isn’t* the daily mail piece…

  • Profile picture of dot_com dot_com said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Does Kimi have a contract with Renault for 2013? I really think they are a good match but apparently the relationship between Kimi and EB is not the best. Where would Kimi go? He’s done Macca, Ferrari and , and I can’t picture him plodding about in a midfield team just for tr sake of racing. That really leaves Mercedes or a possibly resurgent Williams. Or FIF1??

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @Prisoner Monkeys

    About Bruno Senna being called a useless driver. PM, you do realize that Senna is only 3 points behind Kobayashi in the drivers standings. Bruno has 18 points, Kamui 21. The Sauber and Williams are give or take equal cars (Sauber is better in the cold, Williams in the heat). Yet looking at the Kobayashi hype by fellow F1 fans; am I suppose to believe that Kobayashi is supposedly the best thing since Mansell, while B.Senna is poor?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Look at just how many points Senna has cost the team. The odd points scoring finish isn’t enough – least of all when Maldonado has proven the car has pace.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    If with cost, you mean spoiled; then Maldonado has actually cost the team a lot more points than Senna. 6th place in Australia (8 points), 7th behind the top 6 was entirely possible for him at Monaco (6 points), a guaranteed podium in Europe ruined by his impatience with Hamilton (15 points), possible 5th place in Britain (10 points). That’s a total of 39 points, add that to the 29 he currently has. Pastor could’ve been up there with Rosberg and Raikkonen.

    Maldonado is certainly quick but erratic. Senna is slow, but still erratic. So yeah, I don’t deny the fact that Pastor is definitely the better driver.

  • Profile picture of dot_com dot_com said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Pastor also has the benefit of his own car on every free practice session. I’m not saying that Senna is great, but you kind of feel like the odds are stacked against him a bit. I really feel like if he can sort his qualifying out then his races will start to get much better.

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