Silly Season 2013 (494 posts)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Okay, crazy wonderings time: will Romain Grosjean stay at Lotus in 2013?

    He only has a one-year deal with Lotus at the moment, and he is managed by Eric Boullier, who is also the team principal. Slam dunk, right?

    Maybe not, because here’s the kicker: Boullier was a part of a “task force” designed to get the French Grand Prix back on the calendar. That task force decided that the easiest way to do that was to make Formula 1 relevant to the French public again. And the easiest way to do that was to get a successful French driver in the sport. France is currently spoiled for choice with three French drivers at the moment, but based on their current performances, Romain Grosjean is probably the only one who will still be with us in 2013.

    So Eric Boullier is slightly conflicted here (which is why having team principals fill the role of driver managers is never a good idea). On the one hand, he needs the two best drivers for Lotus next year, and given their current performances, he’d be hard-pressed to pick anyone over Raikkonen and Grosjean. But on the other hand, he wants his French driver to do well to put Formula 1 back in the French consciousness. Lotus is certainly very well-equipped to give Grosjean the machinery he needs to succeed, but they’re taking a very long time to do it. People were expecting Lotus to win a race as early as the Bahrain Grand Prix in April. It’s now July, and they haven’t done it yet.

    So if an opening were to becoe available at a top team – probably McLaren; I can’t see Grosjean going to Red Bull because it’s built around Vettel and that would defeat the purpose of sending him there; nor can I see Ferrari taking him on because this is only Grosjean’s first full season and Luca has already said that Ferrari won’t take Perez – which way should Boullier push Grosjean? Keep him in Lotus F1 where he knwos the team, or push him towards a bigger and better drive?

    For what it’s worth, I think Grosjean will probably stay at Lotus. If anybody is going to leave the team, it’s Kimi Raikkonen. But it makes for interesting musings late on a Friday nght …

  • Profile picture of duncanmonza duncanmonza said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I’m pretty sure Lotus plan on becoming as much of a force in F1 as Mclaren, they planned to be champions by 3 seasons’ time so Boulier will obviously keep the best drivers available to him and aim for Grosjean to be Successful at his own team.
    Do you really think a French GP is more important to Boulier than winning races and championships?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Do you really think a French GP is more important to Boulier than winning races and championships?
    Look what happened last year – the team started out well enough, but slipped down the order quickly. Granted, they’re doing a much better job of it here (one good result will see them second in the WCC), but if they run out of money mid-season (and we’ve seen it before) or the team get frustrated at their inability to convertqualifying position into race wins, Boullier may decide to act in Grosjean’s intersts rather than the team’s.

  • Profile picture of duncanmonza duncanmonza said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Nah, I can’t see it happening. For the first time in a number of years, Lotus has two good drivers that can hang around and provide the stability that they need to become a great team. The last time they kept both their drivers for a second full season was 2006. Now they have a really good financial and structural platform to build from. I think Boullier will always act in his interest before Grosjean’s and I can see that for the foreseeable future, it is in Grosjean’s best interest to stay at Lotus.

  • Profile picture of Lin1876 Lin1876 said 10 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I can see where @prisoner-monkeys is coming from, but I don’t think Lotus are a million miles away from where they want to be. They have a strong, drivable car which works on most circuits, and both Kimi and Grosjean could have won a race this year (Kimi in Bahrain, Grosjean in Valencia had the alternator not failed).

    So Grosjean’s choice is between a team he knows and which could win a championship in the foreseeable future, or a team which struggles to win championships despite having two of the best drivers in the sport. Moreover, given that Boullier will want the best for his team, probably above the French GP, he’ll want the best drivers. On the basis that Robert Kubica sadly won’t be available next year, Kimi and Romain is probably the best they’re going to get (not that they’re bad in any way).

    In short, I don’t see Grosjean going anywhere, but it’s an interesting theory.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I’ve decided that I would like to see Webber in a Ferrari next year, even though it probably means that the Australian commentators will get so excited about it that they insist on doing all the commentary themselves.

    My reasoning for this is that I’m very interested to see how Webber and Alonso work together in a team, given the way they race each other so cleanly, trusting each other on a level that no two other drivers do.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    What would be more interesting to me, is using Webber as a common barometer for Alonso vs Vettel. What if (crazy wonderings, a la PM) Webber beats the !#%@ out of Alonso, and their record is similar to how Alonso is manhandling Massa at the moment? Brings up an interesting question doesn’t it? I don’t think it’ll happen, but I think it’ll be closer – a lot closer – than people expect.

    Both have a very similar driving style, and driving requirements, which would be quite the boon for the Ferrari tech team. They both like to throw the car into corners slightly, and set up for a stable car in order to facilitate this (if they didn’t, the car would spin out every time they threw steering on).

    It would be VERY interesting to see. Both are good at Barcelona and Monaco too.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I wodner what Red Bull would do if they gave Webber a free rein to chase after Alonso, only for Webber to be announced as a Ferrari driver for 2013. I’m doubly curious to see what would happen if Vettel was still in with a chance of the title at the time.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    How do you mean, free rein to chase Alonso? Or are you again insinuating that Webber is being held back by Red Bull to NOT chase Alonso down in the points?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I mean that if Red Bull started unequivocally giving Webber support.

    Yes, I’m convinced that the team is structured around Vettel, and that so long as Vettel is in front, Webber is expected to keep the status quo where it is. If that situation changes – for example, if Vettel retires or is forced to make an extra stop – then Webber is generally free to run the race however he wants, but I think the team is structured to that Vettel is given first bite of the apple.

    I don’t think it was always that way – just since 2010. By rights, both Vettel and Webber should have beaten Jenson Button in 2009; they were clearly faster. But when Brawn ran out of money developing the car and then trying to fix the mistake they made with their Silverstone updates, Webber and Vettel spent the next few races taking points out of one another rather than mounting their own challenge against Button. If Red Bull had backed one of their drivers from the outset, they would have caught Button easily.

    What I’m saying is that I’m curious to know what would happen if Red Bull told Webber “We are backing you before Sebastian. You will get first pick of the resources, first choice of strategy (and so on and so forth); whatever you need to catch Fernando”, and if Webber kept up with Alonso pretty consistently – but then signed a deal to go to Ferrari in 2013. Would Red Bull feel betrayed enough that they would start holding him back so that Vettel could try for a third title?

  • Profile picture of duncanmonza duncanmonza said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    Red Bull really doesn’t have a suitable replacement for Webber should he leave next season, so I would imagine that they would make it very difficult for him to leave. Also he knows far too much about the performance secrets of the Red Bull car. Webber might want to go to Ferrari next year, I certainly want him to and it will be a great way to finish his career, but Red Bull will make it difficult for him. Maybe they’ll offer him an irrefusable amount of cash or perhaps push him off his mountain bike causing injury that forces him into retirement.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    If Webber genuinely wants to leave Red Bull/go to Ferrari, there won’t be much that can stop him from doing it.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    You know, come to think about it – I can’t help but think that Red Bull are probably favoring Vettel for the reason that Webber is on a single-year rolling contract. I suspect it could mean that Webber has very little information about the car for next season, and probably has meant that since he first started this rolling contract business.

  • Profile picture of Red Red said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    It is fair to say at some point Red Bull will have to favor who they think is the best positioned driver. If Mark continues to out-score Vettel, despite the bad luck for Vettel Valencia, the choice is clear. Webber is pretty much set to win both ways: take the no.1 driver position at Red Bull or be happily welcomed at Ferrari. And, he just announced he is “no rush to sign to a new deal”.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    Hard to say. Webber was ahead of Vettel with 2 races to go post-Korea 2010. However I think a large part of that decision in 2010 was that Webber had lost form for quite some time, getting outraced and outqualified by Vettel since the Monza race.

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