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Stewards Inquiry with Guess Who (24 posts)

Topic tags: absolute joke. schumacher gets a 10 second stop and go , and you clearly see him turn away and break. Hamilton c, F1, Hamilton, Massa, when it was wet

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LL Jehto said 1 year, 10 months ago:

not trying to prove anything;
It’s just that you mentioned “serious race ending incidents” as a suitable criteria for a penalty (justifying it was correct Hamilton not getting one for the Massa thing, (and by transitivity, justifying the correctness of the Schumi penalty)). And I mentioned Button in Canada, because it was also a race-ending incident (for Alonso) and no penaty was issued there.

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LordBlack said 1 year, 10 months ago:

And Next we will be having engines that cut out if they get within a metre of each other!!!!!!, you have to accept that racing incidents do happen, i think the stewards were right to stay out of the hamilton / massa incident. but do agree that schumi shouldnt have been penalised for his incident as it was a misjudgement of his breaking point. which i feel was a rcing incident, they happen sometimes they work for you sometimes they dont.

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PJA said 1 year, 10 months ago:

At the time I thought that Schumacher didn�t deserve a penalty, however in the interview with him after the race shown on BBC Schumacher seemed to agree it was his mistake as it was the first time he had used DRS, the only problem he had was that he got a ten second stop go penalty rather than just a stop and go.

I seem to think that most of the penalties handed out in recent years were just racing incidents and didn�t merit further action.

As for Hamilton and Massa on the last lap, Massa has said he didn�t have any problem with it.

Massa out braked Hamilton down the outside going into a chicane, where else could Hamilton have gone to avoid Massa as he locked his brakes anyway.

And if people think he Hamilton ran Massa wide, then it defiantly wasn�t anything worse than what Massa did to Button when Button overtook Massa earlier in the race.

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clark said 1 year, 10 months ago:

Schumacher, Hamilton and Alonso are the most punished drivers today. Vettel, Webber and Button on the other hand don’t get punished for their “racing incidents”. I’m sick of hearing all this crap that people keep throwing at Hamilton. He is one of the few that keeps on driving regardless of the race situation. Senna was even worse than Hamilton and he is remembered as the greatest driver of all time – what is also a load of rubbish.

When Button caused a “small” accident in Melbourne in 2010. he destroyed the race for Schumacher and made it a lot heavier for Alonso. Webber collided with Hamilton in Singapore and destroyed his hopes of winning the title. Vettel also had his moments with his teammate and others. All of these accidents that were clearly their fault but in the end the stewards said they were “racing incidents”!!!

And regarding the last lap situation in Silverstone between Massa and Hamilton: If you can remember the British GP 2010., you should know what happened between Vettel and Sutil. Completely and remarkably the same situation as yesterday. And that incident was not even inquired.

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jjgorski said 1 year, 10 months ago:

dont forget schumacher was on a damp track i figured that should have been a racing incident not anyones fault the stewards have to have known what we all did that hamilton was at a major disadvantge (his fule consumption issues) and trying to hold on to the posisition. the bottom line should be if you punish one punish all that would at least send the message to the drivers and they would be more careful. im not a hamilton fan but on his defense and any other driver that was passed this season you are allways at a dissadvantage to be in front of a charging car you just need to get within a second. After that you have an added advantage and the car your closing on is allmost screwed. Its formula one i dont care if anyone passes anyone the whole race as long as the best driver and car wins.

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LL Jehto said 1 year, 10 months ago:

“dont forget schumacher was on a damp track i figured that should have been a racing incident not anyones fault”

its exactly what i think. the things that bug me are the criteria incoherences.

would schumacher’s incident had been the last, after all the others had been rightfully deemed as racing incidents, would he have got a 10 sec. stop and go? maybe not.

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jjgorski said 1 year, 10 months ago:

thats hard to say maybe they should use formula one a the pinacle of racing in the world and not as a feeder series for the Nascar truck series. maybe that is why bernie whants all the banging around.

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Mads said 1 year, 10 months ago:

I hate all those drive though penalties for causing a collision. It is not like the drivers do it on purpose, well most of them don’t. I think they should penalize dangerous driving and outright stupid moves, but i don’t think mistakes should be penalized. It is not like it is going to change anything, other then satisfy the fans of the driver who has been taken out.
I think they should adapt a new technique for judging racing incidents vs driver X causing a collision. By looking at the footage right up to the point where the overtaking driver begins the move. Then stop the video, take a look and think though whether it is a good idea to go for it or not. If it looks like there is plenty of breaking zone left, and a gap to go for, that is not necessarily going to disappear, like it was when Hamilton tried to overtake Massa on the inside of the hairpin in Monaco. If they reckon that an overtake is possible, then whatever happens next is a racing incident. That is how it is in the drivers seat. When they are first committed to the move, then there is no backing out. Well mostly there isn’t, anyway.
In my opinion the stewards should be there to ensure that things don’t get out of hand, and penalize direct breaches of the regulations, i.e speeding in the pitlane, but other then that i think they should try to manipulate the race result as little as possible. If a driver makes a mistake and takes out another driver and then is lucky enough to continue, then i think he should be allowed to do so. The less i have to see the “car X and car Y under investigation” the better. I might be angry if someone cocks it up and crashes into my favorite driver and ends his race, but i have to live with that. Crashing and mistakes are all parts of racing, a drive though.. not so much.

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Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 10 months ago:

Still seems that stop and go + 10 seconds in Silverstone was more expensive than drive through in other tracks.

The pit lane at the new Silverstone Wing was deliberately designed to minimise the time the driver spent in pit lane, particularly in comparison to drivers still out on the circuit, because any driver pitting could accelerate for an extra two hundred metres while drivers on the circuit had to brake for Vale and Club. The end result was that drivers could clear the pit lane faster than at any other circuit on the calendar – even Monza. Thus, it was decided that a simple drive-through penalty was not much of a penalty at all, and may even give a driver an advantage compared to those staying out on the track, so a stop-go penalty was used as the default punishment.

absolute joke. schumacher gets a 10 second stop and go and you clearly see him turn away and break.

Maybe he did turn and break – but he also hit Kobayashi, pushing him off the circuit and costing the Sauber a few positions in the process.

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