Sutil to Ferrari? (31 posts)

  • Profile picture of Hare Hare said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    It wouldn’t be the first time Ferrari took someone who didn’t appear ready to join the top runners.

  • Profile picture of Ned Flanders Ned Flanders said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    “Basically, he let his own opinions start to shape his facts. Which is a big no-no in journalism”

    Agreed. There’s nothing wrong with opinion, but I prefer facts separated from opinions, rather than opinions presented as the truth. Saward always seems to have an agenda

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Saward always seems to have an agenda

    And that’s usually getting Liuzzi recognised. He realy quietened down following the backlash to the article; there was barely a mention of him for weeks except to say that he’d joined Hispania, a team that he hasn’t talked up at all (he hasn’t written them off, either). I think he reaslised he’d gone too far in letting his emotions dictate his articles – it was obvious he was upset Liuzzi was out of a drive, and he was going to extraordinary lengths to justify his performances in 2010 – and strayed away from it, but if this season preview was indeed written by Saward, then it would appear the old prejudices are beginning to seep back into his “reporting” once more.

  • Profile picture of Hare Hare said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    @Saward. He actually quietened down a lot after he went on a verbal bender about cigarette advertising in motorsport, and how it doesn’t influence anyone to smoke.

    He then got a ton of abuse and emails to the point when he considered shutting the site down. However, a bunch of fans, myself included, sent messages of support and basically picked the guy up again, and he got on with it.

    I disagree with him sometimes, sometimes quite strongly. However, it’s his colour that he adds to the party. I for one, and glad he’s there. He doesn’t have the balls to say things a lot of other journos are very nice and diplomatic about.

    Saward, is a long way from your James Allen for example :)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Go and read James Allen’s blog. He might have been intolerable behind the microphone, but his blog is actually pretty good. As are his pre-shot segments that he does for OneHD. I suspect his problem in the commentary box was that when you’re commentating, you always have to be saying something. You can’t have periods of dead air. And it can be very difficult to keep it fresh and interesting, particularly in the middle of a boring race.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    He then got a ton of abuse and emails to the point when he considered shutting the site down.

    Well, I have no sympathy for him. If he was stupid enough to try and present his opinions as fact, he deserved what he got.

    However, it’s his colour that he adds to the party.

    More often than not, his journalism comes across as yellow. Do you really think that adds to anything?

  • Profile picture of sw6569 sw6569 said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Personally i’m a Saward fan, as I like his business articles. I’ve been in contact with him regarding helping him research some force india court cases too.

    Ultimately, I can’t see why fans have an issue with his journalism. At the end of the day, his blog is his comment on the way he sees F1. So people are entitled to disagree with his opinions – but to disagree with the articles themselves (i.e. their existence, as they are supposedly ‘biassed’) seems unfair.

    However, I do have huge issue with the way he speaks to his fans on the site. He’s arrogant and exceptionally rude to a lot of them (including myself, when I told him he was acting unprofessionally – which, frankly, he was). Its petty and unnecessary. I don’t think the fans are justified in their criticism, but he certainly isn’t justified in the way he defends his own articles. Despite me liking a lot of what he writes about, I would never ever pay him a penny of my money for one of his talks or magazines for this reason.

    Regarding the rumour – I had heard that Sutil was being considered. And while I respect Massa, his time at Ferrari is at an end – and Sutil would be a good prospect and a good number 2 to Alonso. If Sutil stays at force india for another season after this one, I feel his F1 career will have come to an end.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    So people are entitled to disagree with his opinions – but to disagree with the articles themselves (i.e. their existence, as they are supposedly ‘biassed’) seems unfair.

    Did you read the article in question? He criticised Force India for dropping Liuzzi, openly stated that other drivers would support him for the sake of protecting their own contracts, and heavily implied that Liuzzi would pursue legal action over the contract buy-out. It was incredibly biased in favour of Liuzzi; had it been written as an opinion piece, it would not have attract any controversy, but the article was clearly presented as factual when it was really just Saward bemoaning Liuzzi’s imminent departure from the sport.

  • Profile picture of ed24f1 ed24f1 said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I think that Joe Saward is very good friends with Liuzzi’s manager, so that is probably partly the reason for it.

    Anyway, I think that his main point was the demise of ethics in F1. He may have a fair point in that we have come to a time when simply breaking a contract, essentially a legal document, is just commonplace and not a surprise.

  • Profile picture of Ned Flanders Ned Flanders said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Oh I think he’s a good journalist, especially on the business side of the sport, but I just think he’s a nasty piece of work

  • Profile picture of Fixy Fixy said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Out of all the comments, I must agree entirely with Steph.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Hahahahaha. Hahaha. Ha. No.

  • Profile picture of JohnnyRedBull JohnnyRedBull said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I can’t see Sutil racing for Ferrari at all.

  • Profile picture of Deleted User said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Thanks Fixy although I know agree entirely with Icthyes! :P

  • Profile picture of sbl on tour sbl on tour said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    sutil to ferrari, god forbid!

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