De-Tilke-fication of F1 tracks (110 posts)

  • Profile picture of necrodethmortem necrodethmortem said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

    I have some ideas for the French Grand Prix:

    Magny-Cours: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5723636

    The most sensible option. By cutting out the chicane before the third hairpin, you get a short lap with two great overtaking opportunities, one after a fast corner and one after a slow one, which should be very interesting. The final chicane is also bypassed because it’s just silly.

    Paul Ricard: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5723587

    My least favourite option. I always hated this track, apart from the Mistral straight and Signes, it has nothing what-so-ever, it was a Tilkedome avant la lettre. I have smoothed-out the Saint Beaume part and turned the last corner into a fast kink. It would also be spectacular if they would use the hairpin after Signes. Not only is it the least interesting track, it’s also located in the Mediterranean, where there’s already Monaco, Monza and Barcelona.

    Dijon-Prenois: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5723591

    A pretty cool track with lots of undulation. The problem is that it’s too short, so I added a bit. Right before the new corner there is a huge drop, similar to Rivazza and on the exit they have to climb all the way back up. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s possible to make these adjustments in time for 2013.

    Charade: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5723631

    My favourite option! The old circuit is a no-go for a number of reasons and the new one is too short and the pits are inadequate, so I designed a hybrid solution: a semi-permanent track. The new pits can be built on the part of the circuit that is no longer necessary. The open road part can be closed off at will, because, if you look at the map, it has no use. This track would need a lot of work in a short period of time, but I think it can be done. Paul Ricard would also need new grandstands and the necessary run-offs can’t take that long to construct.

    Reims-Gueux: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5529255

    Finally, another great option, almost on par with Charade. This would make a great addition to the calendar, because it would be the only open road circuit and it would make a second low-downforce track. The old pits and grandstands could be restored in their original Art Deco style. Unfortunately, since some expropriation would be necessary to build run-off in turns 5 and 6, I don’t think it can be done by 2013.

    I’m afraid Rouen-les-Essarts can’t be made safe enough. Samson is a deathtrap.

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Loving the idea of Reims! Had a lot of fun on that track in Grand Prix 2, back in the day.

    It has also partially inspired me to make this: Paris Grand Prix Circuit http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5724272

    Technically a copy of Jean Graton’s design in the Michel Vailliant comic ’300 à l’heure dans Paris’, based on the 1983 season. I came eerily close to the comic’s 6 km circuit, but there were (surprisingly little) alterations of the Parisian roads. It looks like something idiotic enough to be done by Bernie, yet not Tilke-ish enough.

  • Profile picture of Zantkiller Zantkiller said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Paul Ricard: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5724420

    Running Anticlockwise, I used necrodethmortem’s last few corners but now as first corners which leads nicely onto the straight.
    I clearly remember someone on here saying how they wished that they could use Verriere and combine it with the Mistal straight to create a fast set of corners.
    This of course leaves you the problem of having no way back to the startline, so I just did the obvious thing and went left on to the runway.

  • Profile picture of plushpile plushpile said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @zazeems no De-Tilke-ing required. Just start raing there now.

    http://www.bahraingp.com/AboutBIC/OurTracks/Pages/Outer-Tracks.aspx

    Would be brilliant though, with >75% of the lap at full throttle it wouldn’t be full downforce.
    Shorter lap = more times past the overtaking opportunities (T1, T4), and it would be pretty unique on the calendar. Only Monaco would be shorter.

    If Bernie continues to let oil money direct his moral compass then he should at least use this circuit.
    I think Kieth extolled it’s values at some point, probably when they discussed the change to the horrible ‘Endurance’ layout.

    @necrodethmortem
    I like your Magny-Cours idea, but think the last corner would be ok without the chicane

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5727136

  • Profile picture of necrodethmortem necrodethmortem said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @plushpile Why have a 1st gear corner, when you can have a 3rd gear one? I don’t think you’d see many overtaking attempts there, they won’t have enough speed.

  • Profile picture of plushpile plushpile said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @necrodethmortem
    I think it unlikely they’d like a third gear corner with nothing but the pit wall on the exit.

    The change from the fiddly chicane in the last sector at Magny-Cours is one of few improvements Tilke has ever made…

  • Profile picture of necrodethmortem necrodethmortem said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    There’s plenty of room for run-off. The final corner I have drawn opens up; I did that deliberately so that the cars will have turned entirely before they come next to the pit wall. The pit entry will be dangerous though, I grant you that, but I think it’s worth it in order to not have another slow corner.

  • Profile picture of Zazeems Zazeems said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Dijon-Prenois:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5730835

    Just an extension really, that’d make it fit for Formula One.

    Marina Bay:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5730851

    Lengthened the back straight, getting rid of loads of those irritating 90 degree turns, and creating a nice little right-left flick on the junction with Stamford Road. I got rid of the sling too, I know some people like it, but it just feels too messy for me, and I reckon moving the apex of the turn right in, and putting tonnes of Tecpro on the outside would be enough. I also smoothed out the right left combintions at turns 16, 17, 20 and 21. It always annoyed me that there was enough tarmac there for those turns to flow better.

  • Profile picture of Browny Browny said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Hungaroring

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732703

    Shanghai International Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732736

    Bahrain International Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5732751

  • Profile picture of MastaKink MastaKink said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Your idea for the Hungaroring is to add a dong?

  • Profile picture of Browny Browny said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Haha I didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. Oh well hopefully it’ll make the racing better, they made experience problems with the track getting longer if its a particulary exciting race

  • Profile picture of Browny Browny said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Circuit de Catalunya

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732785

    Hockenheim

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732793

    abu dhabi

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732818

    Magny-Cours

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732819

    Bugatti Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732824

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I’m not sure if F1 needs more hook-hairpins..

    As for the Hungaroring, it seems like it is possible Tilke gets his hands on that as well. Here’s what would be some anti-Tilke measures:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5733122

    I like driving around the Hungaroring in the Grand Prix series games and F1 2010, but don’t really like the changes to the final third of the track they made last decade. Instead, from the 3 kilometer mark on, I’ve tried to give a more natural feel, whit a nice set of corners at the end that’ll hopefully allow people making counter-moves.

    This is probably the most Tilke-ish I could make it. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5733132

  • Profile picture of PieLighter PieLighter said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    @npf1

    This is probably the most Tilke-ish I could make it. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5733132

    Where’s the 50-mile straight?

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    @PieLighter

    How’s this? ;) http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5734230

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