De-Tilke-fication of F1 tracks (110 posts)

  • Profile picture of PieLighter PieLighter said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @npf1 nah, that’s too short. Extend it beyond turn 1 by about 500-1000m, then add another long straight which connects to turn 2 with a 1mph hairpin and a quadruple-chicane.

  • Profile picture of Bullfrog Bullfrog said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    A figure-of-eight track with unexploded bombs? Now you’re talking!
    Meanwhile in Rio (Joe Saward)
    (Sounds like someone in Brazil has been playing too much Mario Kart)

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    I don’t think F1 racing on ovals is a great idea- yes, it is an interesting idea, but so far removed from what F1 has always been (even in the 1950′s Indy still wasn’t run to F1 rules), and I find the idea of a full grid of oval-novices, some of which will be in cars from poorer team which are ill-prepared for such a drastically different circuit, a bit of a frightening thought.

    However, if it was to happen, I’d want it to be like one of these (run in proper anti-clockwise direction):

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5737590

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5737593

    This is more of a call-back to old Monza, which for me is how F1 should go about oval racing if it ever tries it.

  • Profile picture of Browny Browny said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Fuji

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739199

    Imola

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739200

    A1 Ring/ Red Bull Ring

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739204

    Zandvoort

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739208

    Hungaroring

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732703

    Shanghai International Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732736

    Bahrain International Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5732751

    Circuit de Catalunya

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732785

    Hockenheim

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732793

    abu dhabi

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732818

    Magny-Cours

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732819

    Bugatti Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5732824

    Kylami

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739210

    Buenos Aires

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5739213

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Magny Cours: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5739761

    I never really minded the track, spare the final sector. Never really liked that, so changed a few turns and like most of the other guys here, got rid of that horrible chicane at the end.

  • Profile picture of NickV NickV said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Interesting thread guys. Here are some of my Tilke circuit modifications:

    Abu Dhabi:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740128

    I have used the second S bend in the first sector and have also got rid of the chicane and opened up the hairpin and brought it forward so there is enough run-off without the chicane. The chicane halfway down the straight has been opened up to improve the flow of the circuit, and I have cut out the chicane at the bottom of the circuit to increase the speed into the fast right handers to make them more challenging. I have also opened up the penultimate corner.

    Bahrain:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740144

    I have diverted the cars down the outer circuit and missed out the chicane to create a high speed section for overtaking into a new hairpin which then brings the cars onto the inner circuit, which they then follow round to the tightening left hander. The only change in this section is the ninety degree left has been opened to make it more challenging. Behind the pits, the cars bear right onto the ‘oval’, where they rejoin the straight.

    Shanghai:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740151

    I have slightly opened the turn 6 hairpin to increase speeds into the esses, after which I have replaced the two slow left handers with one medium speed corner, which adds to the esses and makes them tighten in succession. i have then changed the next hairpin into a left kink on to the long right hander which would be more steeply banked. I have then changed the hairpin into a more classically shaped one, and opened up the final corner a bit.

    Istanbul:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740157

    the best Tilke circuit before COTA but I think some areas could be better. I have made the first corner quicker and opened up turns 3 and 4 to give a better flow. I have obviously left turn 8 alone but opened up the chicane afterwards so they enter the tightened kink on the back straight at higher speeds. I imagine this to be like the old 130R. This could then cause mistakes and allow for overtaking into the final few turns, which I have left alone as they provide good wheel to wheel dicing for position.

  • Profile picture of the_sigman the_sigman said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    How can I draw my layout?

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    @nickv
    I like what you’ve done with Abu Dhabi, especially the first sector. Looks a lot more natural than it is now.

    @sigman1998
    You first search the track of your choice. Mind you, it won’t find all tracks by circuitname alone. You’ll need to select the ‘Draw route’ option ‘manually (straight lines)’. Then you hit the ‘start recording’ button and double click to set a starting point, and another double click to set another ‘point’, to draw. For something a little more elaborate: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/gp/about/usageInstructions

  • Profile picture of the_sigman the_sigman said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    thanks @npf1

  • Profile picture of Nick Nick said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Paul Richard: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740278

    If they’re going there, I’d like it to be a high speed track with a small number of annoying sharp bends. It’d be hard to overtake still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the likes of Maldonado, Grosjean and Perez would make some absolutely madman moves in those sharp bends.

    Korea: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740302

    Like Bahrain, it seems like a track that could use some shaking up. I like the second sector, but the second long straight immediately after the first (after the start finish straight even) kind of feels like to much. I’m going the other way, tacking the nicer section from the other way around, a bended straight for the crossing, some nice 2nd/3rd gear corners and the regular final sector to slow things down. I think we’d see some proper high speeds here.

    As for the Nurburgring, I made an estimate of how they could increase spectator numbers, as well as the amount of money people would be willing to pay for a race there. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740324 ;)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Circuit of the Americas

    (Okay, so it’s not a de-Tilke-fication … more of a de-Hellmund-isation and a de-Schwantz-ification, but all the same.)

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740690

    First of all, I made changes to Turn 6 by extending it to include part of the connecting road, which I felt made the next corner a little more interesting.

    Secondly, I cut out the first half of the Hockenehim switchback. It’s now modelled on Tamburello.

    I was going to make changes to Turn 19 as it (and Turn 20) felt like a nothing corner designed to connect the circuit back up to itself, but after seeing how often the drivers were dropping it there, I think it’s a real diamond in the rough. It looks sharp, but it’s wickedly fast.

    Finally, I changed Turn 20, which is is a nothing corner. Hopefully this will increase the entry speed to the first corner, allowing for more overtaking.

  • Profile picture of the_sigman the_sigman said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Circuit of Americas

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740804

    Yas Marina Circuit

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740807

    Shanghai

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740811

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    I’ve been playing around with Shanghai for a while now, and have finally settled on a design … that doesn’t actually use much of the existing circuit at all:

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740813

  • Profile picture of Ben Ben said 6 months, 1 week ago:

    Abu Dhabi – made changes everywhere, really

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740833

    Bahrain – joined turn 8 to 11

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740839

    Shanghai – much more fast, sweeping corners

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740826

    India – modified first and last turns

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740859

    COTA – faster sequence leading to back straight, turn 15 is now a Hockenheim-style banked hairpin

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5740872

  • Profile picture of necrodethmortem necrodethmortem said 6 months ago:

    I really like your Bahrain idea @benchuiii

    If they would loosen the final turn and lengthen the main straight a bit, like so, this would actually be a pretty sweet circuit.

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