The mystery of McLaren's exhaust solved (33 posts)

  • Profile picture of Faraz Faraz said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I know Ferrari have been in their fare share of scandals. You seem to forget the team your driver drives for are not exactly scandal free.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Like I said, I don’t care about the teams. And I might be going after Ferrari, but they had a discreet veto over the rules for years. All they had to do is say they didn’t like it, and the rules would be changed – even if all the other teams agreed to it. They could have easily manipulated the sport to suit themselves, misleading everyone so that they could win.

    But this isn’t about Ferrari and McLaren. This is about McLaren’s exhaust system.

  • Profile picture of cyanide cyanide said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Single line of prejudice and all this crap. Can Keith please clean up the mess. Immature kids.

  • Profile picture of DavidS DavidS said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    It may sound like fence-sitting, but both teams do their fair share of complaining if the other has an innovation they haven’t invented.
    There’s no risk to protesting, you don’t lose anything, you’re just in the same situation. The protest being upheld though gives you an advantage.

    All the top teams do it. Who protested McLaren’s F-duct? It wasn’t Ferrari, it was Red Bull.

    In a sport so intensely competitive, with large gains to be made from protesting, I’d be disappointed if they didn’t try to gain an advantage over their rivals through the protest system.

  • Profile picture of Aetost Aetost said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    After all, protesting is cheap! It doesn’t require an army of designers and engineers trying to find ways to recreate and copy intricate and complicated designs in short time frames. No CFD, no wind tunnel testing, no manufacturing costs of new parts and no disruption of development programs, no compromised designs, no further reliability problems.
    All protesting needs is a couple of lawyers, a piece of paper and an “outraged” team principal accusing rivals of cheating…

  • Profile picture of Dougy_D Dougy_D said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Look, all teams complain at some point. Accept it!

    On McLarens octopus, I like the idea but I dont see why the FIA would have banned the material. Feel sorry for Mclaren if that is the case (unless it was banned prior to them developing it then they are stupid). Fair play to them for trying to be innovative. Last year they had the F-Duct, this year the octopus. This is what F1 is about!!

  • Profile picture of djdaveyp85 djdaveyp85 said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I really hope McLaren have a trick up their sleeve here! I also hope theyc an solve the gremlins before we get to Oz next week.

    Interesting post PM, I hope this thread doesn’t continue to be a McLaren vs Ferrari slagging match.

  • Profile picture of Aetost Aetost said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I just read an article at ScarbsF1 stating that Ferrari was not allowed to use exotic materials for their exhaust, so this may not be favoring one team over the other. Still, have a little faith. Engineers are quite inventive and given time, they ‘ll find other solutions!

  • Profile picture of Asanator Asanator said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Sorry PM but you are wrong, I don’t recall Ferrari having ANYTHING banned that was on someone elses car certainly since the 3rd pedal affair and if you Can think of anything feel free to let us all know, whereas McLaren have continually complained and protested everything that they can. There is also not ANY documented evidence as you call it of Ferrari having the FIA ‘in their pocket’ aside from innuendo by the conspiracy theorists and disgruntled McLaren fans.

  • Profile picture of djdaveyp85 djdaveyp85 said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Ferrari haven’t had anything banned because they have had Ferrari International Assisantance on their side for most of the 90′s and 00′s!

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Mass damper that was suddenly illegal? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/05/31/banned-tuned-mass-dampers/

    Yeh, nothing was proved and for what it’s worth, I believe if Schumacher was at Renault and Ferrari had the mass damper it would still have been outlawed. Strange decisions whose effect was to tighten the championship challenge are commonplace in F1. It’s the technical veto part that worries me because it makes for a lack of transparency, so we never know who really got what done.

  • Profile picture of JT19 JT19 said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    C’mon guys, get off PM’s case. I think he meant it as half a joke and the other half, a reality.

    When we think of a team who is going to complain first, we think of one: Ferrari. This is the case because since the early 90”s to late 00′s, they do complain on an average of once every season. But in the last couple of seasons, McLaren seems to be the team, but whatever they complain about, they don’t hear their right answer, whereas when Ferrari complain, THEY DO HEAR their right answer.

    Yes, I am a McLaren fan because of LH, but they did get on my nerves in 2010 complaining every race about Red Bull’s equipment. It was funny as well, just made me chuckle.

  • Profile picture of AndrewTanner AndrewTanner said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Back on topic…

    Is there anything in the way of proof or at least a source for PM’s suggestion?

    It’s a really interesting idea.

    The only reason I can think the FIA might ban the substance is because of the intense vibrations coming from the engine. Ceramics are used in brakes in many cars but that’s more friction than vibration. Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

  • Profile picture of US_Peter US_Peter said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    It’ll be very interesting to see what comes of this. I hope Scarbs has a full post on it after Melbourne.

  • Profile picture of Hare Hare said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Scarbs might be eating a little bit of humble pie if this story is true. Especially since he published an article with photos of the suggested exhaust exits and arrows saying : ‘this is not an exhaust exit’.. :)

    http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/mclaren-mp4-26-exhaust-is-the-u-bend-a-front-exit/

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