Third pedal (10 posts)

  • Profile picture of pepsiperfect pepsiperfect said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    Remember the Mclaren in the late 90s / early 00s, it had an ingenious design idea of having a third pedal. Ferrari became aware of this, complained and had it out lawed – just like Ferrari do, don`t rise to the technical challenge, just use their power to stop it.
    Why / what technical reason did they and the FIA come up with to ban it ?
    Could it be reintroduced, with modifications to make it legal / conform to the rules?
    Just an idea, big up

  • Profile picture of James_mc James_mc said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    Don’t it could return.

    It was a second brake pedal which allowed the drivers (Hakkinen and Coulthard) to apply braking force to wheels individually (effectively a manual traction control).

    I think that it was a photographer from F1 racing spotted that, unusually, the brake discs of the McLarens were glowing through fast corners which would under normal circumstances be flat-out. After waiting most of the season to get his chance, when Hakkinen’s engine expired, the guy took his chance and poked his camera inside the McLaren’s cockpit and discovered an additional pedal.

    Following publication of the pictures, Charlie Whiting and the FIA were pretty prompt in pointing out to McLaren that the third pedal was technically illegal.

  • Profile picture of Mouse_Nightshirt Mouse_Nightshirt said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    Technically illegal for what reason exactly? It sounded pretty flaky if memory serves.

  • Profile picture of James_mc James_mc said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    As you could brake independently, it counts as some form of traction control/aid.

  • Profile picture of rampante rampante said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    It was illegal and it was banned. Secondary braking devices are not allowed and Mclaren broke the rules. Nearly every team complained why highlight Ferrari?

  • Profile picture of mjpowell mjpowell said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    The third pedal was not a driver aid,
    even though it facilitated traction control, it was still full driver control.
    No computerized “gizmo” / black box. Driver skill was still required.
    Like with most things, there are ways of interpreting the rule book. What conforms and what does not. It was a clever idea.

  • Profile picture of matt88 matt88 said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    A clever but illegal idea, as the ‘fan’ car.

  • Profile picture of Scribe Scribe said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    or the f-duct. Legal in the letter of the rules, sign of the times that it got banned. Good innovation had uses in road car industry.

  • Profile picture of SoLiDG SoLiDG said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    It is those things I like about F1. Really looking at every bit of the rules to exploit. It brings out the best in those guys.
    Too bad they get banned. The f-duct imo isn’t that expensive and in the end all of the normal teams will have it.

  • Profile picture of Boyce Boyce said 2 years, 10 months ago:

    Williams and Jordan also had a rear wheel braking system in place when it was banned. I can’t see it being reintroduced because FIA don’t like to see too high cornering speeds. McLaren still like the idea though and stick a similar system on their road car.

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