Three Car Teams (18 posts)

  • Profile picture of Felipe Bomeny Felipe Bomeny said 2 years ago:

    I was thinking about one of di Montezemolo’s proposals: the three car team. While I doubt that it really will occur in Formula One, as it really is just a big “what if”, it’s still a fun idea to play with because the third driver would either be a rookie or pay driver in most scenarios. This is how I think a 2011 grid would look like:

    1. Vettel
    2. Webber
    3. Ricciardo

    4. Hamilton
    5. Button
    6. Turvey

    7. Alonso
    8. Massa
    9. Bianchi

    10. Rosberg
    11. Schumacher
    12. Hülkenberg

    14. Heidfeld
    15. Petrov
    16. Grosjean

    15. Barrichello
    16. Maldonado
    17. Bottas

    18. Sutil
    19. Di Resta
    20. Ebrahim

    21. Kobayashi
    22. Pérez
    23. Fisichella

    24. Buemi
    25. Alguersuari
    26. Vergne

    27. Kovalainen
    28. Trulli
    29. Razia

    30. Liuzzi
    31. Karthikeyan
    32. Mun

    33. Glock
    34. D’Ambrosio
    35. Wickens

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 2 years ago:

    Three cars teams would probably equal less teams on the grid, I’ll just go with 8 teams.

    Red Bull:
    1.Vettel
    2.Webber
    3.Buemi

    McLaren:
    4.Hamilton
    5.Button
    6.Kobayashi

    Ferrari:
    7.Alonso
    8.Massa
    9.Kubica/Fisichella

    Mercedes:
    10.Schumacher
    11.Rosberg
    12.Heidfeld

    Renault:
    14.Kovalainen
    15.Petrov
    16.Senna

    Williams:
    17.Barrichello
    18.Hulkenberg
    19.Maldonado

    Force India:
    20.Sutil
    21.Liuzzi
    22.Di Resta

    Sauber:
    23.Glock
    24.Trulli
    25.Perez

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years ago:

    Someone suggested on here a while ago that 3-car teams could work by the smaller teams “renting out” one of their grid positions. If it was contingent on the third car not scoring points and it if was for good money and technical support, I wouldn’t be against it. I’ve gone for something a bit different and imagined 3-car teams came in last year instead.

    Red Bull
    1: Vettel
    2: Webber
    24: Ricciardo

    McLaren
    3: Hamilton
    4: Button
    25: Paffett

    Ferrari
    5: Alonso
    6: Massa
    26: Schumacher

    Mercedes
    7: Rosberg
    8: Heidfeld
    27: di Resta

    Renault
    9: Kubica (replaced by Senna)
    10: Petrov

    Williams
    11: Barrichello
    12: Maldonado

    Force India
    14: Sutil
    15: Liuzzi

    Sauber
    16: Kobayashi
    17: Perez

    Toro Rosso
    18: Buemi
    19: Alguersuari

    Lotus
    20: Kovalainen
    21: Chandhok

    HRT
    22: Klien

    Virgin
    23: Glock

    - Schumacher joins Ferrari after aborted comeback in 2009
    - Heidfeld joins Mercedes in 2009, di Resta is in his second season
    - With the failure of USF1, the two extra slots were re-apportioned. Those continued after the failure of any new team to gain entry for 2010
    - Lotus had previously rented one of their slots out to Renault, but this ended with the naming rights dispute. With Trulli retired, they brought in Chandhok
    - Senna started for HRT in 2010 but was replaced by Klien three times

  • Profile picture of Fixy Fixy said 2 years ago:

    1. Vettel
    2. Webber
    3. Ricciardo

    4. Hamilton
    5. Button
    6. Paffett

    7. Alonso
    8. Massa
    9. Bianchi

    10. Rosberg
    11. Schumacher
    12. Di Resta

    14. Senna
    15. Petrov
    16. Grosjean

    15. Barrichello
    16. Maldonado
    17. Bottas

    18. Sutil
    19. Liuzzi
    20. Hulkenberg

    21. Kobayashi
    22. Pérez
    23. Heidfeld

    24. Buemi
    25. Alguersuari
    26. Vergne

    27. Kovalainen
    28. Trulli
    29. Valsecchi

    30. Chandhok
    31. Karthikeyan
    32. Klien

    33. Glock
    34. D’Ambrosio
    35. Wickens

  • Profile picture of australian australian said 2 years ago:

    i like it

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years ago:

    So … you basically just put all the test drivers in the third cars?

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years ago:

    They’re test drivers for a reason. That reason partly being because with the testing ban, a test driver is likely to also be your third driver.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years ago:

    Apologies for double post.

    Note that most of us have done something a little different: di Resta at Mercedes, Chandhok at HRT

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years ago:

    They’re test drivers for a reason. That reason partly being because with the testing ban, a test driver is likely to also be your third driver.

    That’s true – but if three-car teams were permitted, do you really think the likes of Ferrari and McLaren would settle for running their test drivers? Do you genuinely believe Red bull would opt for Riccirado when just about every driver on the grid would kill to race for them?

  • Profile picture of Ned Flanders Ned Flanders said 2 years ago:

    OK, I’ll have a go. I’m going to assume that the rule is coming in for next season, that the added competition will mean that Virgin and HRT go out of business, and that only 6 teams will choose to run a third driver. That leaves a 26 car grid

    RED BULL:
    1. Vettel
    2. Webber
    3. Kobayashi (to try and shift a few more cans in Japan)

    MCLAREN
    1. Hamilton
    2. Button
    3. Heidfeld (finally gets his chance 10 years after the infamous snub)

    FERRARI
    1. Alonso
    2. Massa
    3. Binachi

    MERCEDES
    1. Rosberg
    2. Raikkonen
    3. Barrichello (making a return to his old team to see out his career)

    RENAULT
    1. Kubica
    2. Petrov
    3. Senna

    SAUBER
    1. Perez
    2. Gutierrez (2012′s probably a bit too early for him, but meh)

    TORO ROSSO
    1. Vergne
    2. Ricciardo
    3. Alguersuari (Red Bull money funds a third seat to keep underperforming JA on)

    FORCE INDIA
    1. Di Resta
    2. Hulkenberg

    WILLIAMS
    1. Schumacher (I’m thinking outside the box here!)
    2. Maldonado

    LOTUS
    1. Kovalainen
    2. Texeira

    I’m with PM, I think if third drivers were available teams would be a bit more adventurous and choose the best drivers available. Also, I am by no means saying that this is what I’d think would happen

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years ago:

    I do agree with you that Ricciardo is more likely to wind up in a Toro Rosso than a Red Bull. There’s no way Red Bull would risk him based on his practice times in Abu Dhabi alone.

  • Profile picture of Fixy Fixy said 2 years ago:

    @Prisoner Monkeys – You have to also take into account that three championship contenders in the same team would be difficult to manage, and that young driver development schemes are done exactly to have a third driver together with two experienced ones. I also would put Kubica in another team, but as this is 2011 he isn’t racing. I’ll do it again, with only one test driver promoted to race seat in the same team.

    Red Bull Racing-Renault
    1. Sebastian Vettel
    2. Mark Webber
    3. Kimi Raikkonen (stand-in for Robert Kubica) (2010 – WRC)

    Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes
    4. Lewis Hamilton
    5. Jenson Button
    6. Gary Paffett (2010 – Test Driver)

    Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
    7. Fernando Alonso
    8. Felipe Massa
    9. Nico Rosberg (2010 – Mercedes)

    Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team
    10. Michael Schumacher
    11. Nico Hulkenberg (2010 – Williams)
    12. Paul Di Resta (2010 – DTM)

    Lotus Renault GP
    14. Vitaly Petrov
    15. Bruno Senna (2010 – HRT)
    16. Romain Grosjean (2010 – GP2)

    AT&T Williams-Cosworth
    15. Rubens Barrichello
    16. Pastor Maldonado (2010 – GP2)
    17. Nick Heidfeld (2010 – Sauber)

    Force India F1 Team-Mercedes
    18. Adrian Sutil
    19. Vitantonio Liuzzi
    20. Karun Chandhok (2010 – HRT)

    Sauber F1 Team-Ferrari
    21. Kamui Kobayashi
    22. Sergio Pérez (2010 – GP2)
    23. Jules Bianchi (2010 – GP2)

    Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari
    24. Sebastien Buemi
    25. Jaime Alguersuari
    26. Daniel Ricciardo (2010 – Formula Renault 3.5)

    Team Lotus-Renault
    27. Heikki Kovalainen
    28. Jarno Trulli
    29. Luiz Razia (2010 – GP2)

    Hispania Racing F1 Team-Cosworth
    30. Narain Karthikeyan (2010 – Superleague Formula)
    31. Sakon Yamamoto
    32. Christian Klien

    Marussia Virgin Racing-Cosworth
    33. Timo Glock
    34. Lucas Di Grassi
    35. Jerome D’Ambrosio (2010 – GP2)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years ago:

    You have to also take into account that three championship contenders in the same team would be difficult to manage

    That’s true – but if one championship-worthy team has three drivers, then all teams need three because they’ll need three to stand a chance of picking up the WCC crown.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years ago:

    It’s not so far-fetched as you might think PM. Let’s take Red Bull. Alonso is committed to Ferrari. Massa is, depending on opinion, either not good enough or too close to Ferrari to leave. Hamilton wouldn’t leave McLaren unless they weren’t competing consistently. Button has been vocal about team favouritism so you’d think he’d have second thoughts about going to Red Bull. How many top drivers are there left after that? Rosberg has only had a year at Mercedes, jumping ship would have looked bad for him. Kubica is injured but was committed to the Renault project anyway.

    Sure, it may have made more sense to us to put even Glock in there before Ricciardo. But Red Bull are sponsoring him for a reason: they believe he could be another Hamilton or Rosberg. Hamilton almost went to Renault or Williams but Ron Dennis gave him the McLaren seat – Red Bull wouldn’t want to risk the same. So why wouldn’t he end up at Toro Rosso first? Since the end of the customer team rules, STR hasn’t exactly been a powerhouse and as we’ve seen with Button, a world champion can appear average in a bad car.

  • Profile picture of Klon Klon said 2 years ago:

    Well, here’s a possible grid:

    Red Bull Racing-Renault
    1. Sebastian Vettel
    2. Mark Webber
    3. Jaime Alguersuari

    Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes
    4. Lewis Hamilton
    5. Jenson Button
    6. Gary Paffett

    Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
    7. Fernando Alonso
    8. Felipe Massa
    9. Valentino Rossi/Giancarlo Fisichella

    Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team
    10. Michael Schumacher
    11. Nico Rosberg
    12. Bruno Spengler

    Lotus Renault GP
    14. Nick Heidfeld/Robert Kubica
    15. Vitaly Petrov
    16. Bruno Senna

    AT&T Williams-Cosworth
    15. Rubens Barrichello
    16. Pastor Maldonado
    17. Valtteri Bottas

    Force India F1 Team-Mercedes
    18. Adrian Sutil
    19. Paul Di Resta
    20. Nico Hülkenberg

    Sauber F1 Team-Ferrari
    21. Kamui Kobayashi
    22. Sergio Pérez
    23. Jules Bianchi

    Scuderia Toro Rosso-Ferrari
    24. Sebastien Buemi
    25. Daniel Ricciardo
    26. Jean-Eric Vergne

    Team Lotus-Renault
    27. Heikki Kovalainen
    28. Jarno Trulli
    29. Karun Chandhok

    Hispania Racing F1 Team-Cosworth
    30. Narain Karthikeyan
    31. Vitantonio Liuzzi
    32. Plamen Kralev

    Marussia Virgin Racing-Cosworth
    33. Timo Glock
    34. Jerome D’Ambrosio
    35. Sakon Yamamoto

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