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Vettel and DRS

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  • #215683
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    matthew
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    sore looser, he hates loosing, so to be caught and passed must be a frustration. especially as it makes alonsos gap smaller

    #215684
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    Pelican
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    Girts – THe races where Vettel is fastest, he qualifies on pole and leads the whole race. He rarely gets the chance to use it.

    #215685
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    Yes, I agree with what @mat-k said. The fact that he lost out a place that (with hindsight) he could have kept. I say this because (in hindsight) by hanging back in the earlier parts of S1 to avoid reaching Karthikeyan earlier, he could have still kept Lewis behind.

    It was in the heat of the moment. He’s venting. It happens.

    Mind you I’m not saying being a sore loser is a bad thing. Sure it’s a media nightmare, and people romanticise being a sore loser as immaturity, but to be fairly blunt -generally speaking, if they weren’t sore losers they wouldn’t be as competitive as they are. Pain is a much more powerful motivator than desire.

    #215686
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    Girts
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    @Pelican You are right. I guess I didn’t put it well enough. For sure, Vettel is not the driver, who has made most DRS passes since the beginning of the 2011 season because quite often there is simply no one in front of him. But that doesn’t mean that the potential isn’t there. This is what James Allen recently wrote in his blog about Vettel’ s 2012 season:

    He made up places from his grid slot on eight occasions, gaining a total of 22 places from his grid slot in races where he started behind pole. (Plus in Abu Dhabi he made up another 22 places after being forced to start from the pit lane).

    So DRS has certainly helped Vettel a lot of times, while I don’t think that he’s been often passed by someone else with help of DRS. Last Sunday was rather an exception and I’m sure that Vettel’s ‘DRS balance’ is very positive.

    What I wanted to say is that most drivers have much more reason to feel annoyed about DRS, particularly the likes of Force India and Caterham drivers, whose chances to defend relatively good positions are often destroyed by DRS. So I guess that their frustration must be bigger than Vettel’s, which makes me wonder what is the use of a gimmick that every driver hates.

    #215687
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    magon4
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    To all DRS haters, what to do about it?
    I really don’t love it, but it is better than seeing someone come up a second or so faster per lap to the next guy, and then not being able to pass him due to aerodynamics. DRS today is the same as the vacuum in the 80s; when you got close enough on a straight, you would almost certainly pass because of the lack of front wind behind a car.
    Maybe the tyres do the trick. Fact is, there must be a possibility for f1 drivers to pass if they are faster.
    I agree that DRS shouldn’t do it for them, but they could help enable it (maybe make the DRS zones smaller and smaller until it is not an automatic pass). But going back to aerodynamics avoiding passing is not the right step.
    And going back to the 80s with the wind vacuum is the same as having DRS.

    #215688
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    @john-h

    “Unbelievable, I’m finished with formula 1 [with] these days… with these stupid overtakes”

    Good ear but what he really says is:
    “unbelievable, I´m finished in formula 1 this season with these stupid overtakes”

    I really don´t care if he hates DRS or not… I just find it amazing that he sounds like he was about to cry when he said it… I mean seriously…. you are up 13 points and you have to act like a brat(not my originally intended choice of word) ?
    The funny thing is that we didn´t hear him complain in Abu Dhabi when he benefited massively on the DRS induced overtakes he did…. The kid´s really got “character”… ;D

    #215689
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    Good ear but what he really says is:
    “unbelievable, I´m finished in formula 1 this season with these stupid overtakes”

    I really don´t care if he hates DRS or not… I just find it amazing that he sounds like he was about to cry when he said it… I mean seriously…. you are up 13 points and you have to act like a brat(not my originally intended choice of word) ?

    Yeah, that was a very weird thing to say. He’s got the strongest car on the grid, and his closest rival is going to need a lot of help beating him. Barring a major disaster, Vettel basically just needs to finish in the points in Brazil and he stands a fair chance of winning the title whatever Alonso does. So I don’t see any good reason for him to be concerned about the pass.

    #215690
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    mnmracer
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    Vettel basically just needs to finish in the points in Brazil and he stands a fair chance of winning the title whatever Alonso does. So I don’t see any good reason for him to be concerned about the pass.

    Without the pass, Alonso would need to win in case of a Vettel DNF. With that pass, Alonso only needs 3rd in case of a Vettel DNF.

    With how fragile the Red Bull alternator has been this year, he has every bit of concern about that pass.

    #215691
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    If he was whining about DRS then he needs to remember Abu Dhabi a few weeks ago. Were you done with the ‘stupid overtakes’ then Sebastian?

    #215692
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    Prisoner Monkeys
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    Without the pass, Alonso would need to win in case of a Vettel DNF. With that pass, Alonso only needs 3rd in case of a Vettel DNF.

    With how fragile the Red Bull alternator has been this year, he has every bit of concern about that pass.

    Without a credible reason to believe he absolutely will not finish the Brazilian Grand Prix, Vettel doesn’t have much to complain about. The odds are still very much in his favour.

    #215693
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    mnmracer
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    @prisoner-monkeys
    You do not understand that a driver who lost 6 wins and many more points due to mechanical issues in the last three years, is uneasy going into the final race of the season against a driver who picked up 6 of his 30 career victories (20%) when race leaders DNF’d?

    #215694
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    That’s an oddly-specific and statistically-unlikely thing to be afraid of.

    No, I think Vettel was just being a bit of a sore loser and decided to vent his anger on Karthikeyan.

    #215695
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    mnmracer
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    Believe what you wish if it helps you sleep at night ;)

    #215696
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    @mnmracer

    Going by that comment, so do you. How many other drivers have statistically won when others retired? Maybe we need to fear Panis for Sunday if Vettel retires, he has a 100% winning spree from others retiring.

    #215697
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    mnmracer
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    In the ’00-’10 era, no multiple-winning driver has picked up more wins from others retiring than Fernando Alonso.
    Together with Hamilton and Räikkönen, no other driver have lost more wins by DNF’s that were not the driver’s fault than Sebastian Vettel.
    Even in the race we speak of, Mark pulled over because of an alternator problem.

    If you can not understand that someone would be uneasy with that, and if you choose not to read the news articles where Red Bull has stated their concern, you are just willingly blind because god forbid you say something positive about someone. Be that as it may, but don’t kid yourself you’re attempting to view things in a realistic context.

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