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Vettel’s lucky chamionship (sour grapes)

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  • #132493
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    sato113
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    Right, i did a similar article last year about the 2011 championship.
    http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/groups/f1/forum/topic/sour-grapes-vettels-luck-in-2011/
    please note this thread is not intended to be serious. (well kind of…). Anyway lets start:

    AUS: Timing of the safety car gifts Vettel 2nd place from Hamilton.

    MAL: some poor awareness gets him a puncture but he was only fighting for the lower reaches of the points anyway…
    CHN: meh…

    BAH: comes under attack from a rather race-rusty Raikonnen. During Kimi’s best chance to overtake vettel, he not only shys away from sending one down the inside, but he also does a rather poor job on undercutting vettel and getting a good run into turn 4. (this is really clutching at straws here! sorry)
    ESP: meh…

    MON: some poor communication from mclaren drops Hamilton behind Vettel after the pitstops.
    CAN-HUN: meh…

    BEL: both Hamilton and Alonso taken out in first lap pile up. Red Bull seem to stick to a 1 stopper perhaps due to their poor top speed. 1 stops actually turn out to be the best strategy. Vettel seals an important 2nd 12 secs ahead of 3rd placed Kimi.
    ITA: meh…

    SING: ok now things get silly. Hamilton, (in contention for the title) retires from the lead gifting Vettel and easy win. (Good luck for Vettel combined with bad luck for a championship rival= SUPER LUCK!!!)

    JAP: Alonso gets slightest touch from Kimi at the start. The ferrari slides across gravel ruining it’s rear tyre. DNF.

    KOR: once again Webber is useless off the line from pole. He cant even get vettel back down the following long straights. BUT WAIT! webber is pushing hard after this setback and is within 1 second, OH I SEE… yellow flags down the only passing zone on the track mean DRS is disabled for quite a few laps as the marshals struggled to remove rosbergs car.Webber’s charge is halted.
    Hamilton (a more deadly rival to vettel’s title defence) suffers a roll bar issue and finishes 10th and is now out of the chmpionship fight.

    IND: a KERS malfunction occurs on a red bull car! but which one?! webber’s of course…

    ABU: Vettel only take minor damage after colliding with senna. When Vettel hits the DRS bollard whilst following the safety car, the damage forces him to pit for a new wing. this inadvertently puts him on a killer 2 stop strategy. he has time to catch the pack up before the restart, with new options tyres and much slower cars between him and the points. After running as high as 2nd, he fits another set of options and rejoins ahead of a train of slower cars that are holding up his team mate. Another safety car lets him catch up to the leaders effortlessly. with his car setup perfectly, he eventually finishes 3rd. Hamilton of course retired with a mechanical failure.

    USA: A red Bull retires with a car failure!… yep… it’s webber’s car, not vettel’s.

    BRAZIL: has a huge shunt from senna. BUT this is vettel he hit! of course it won’t be terminal damage! in fact let’s sprinkle some rain on the track to ease the issue for you! OH NO a disastourous pitstop drops him out of title contention! nah don’t worry, the field is so spread out and a few cars have retired, so he only rejoins in 10th or so… and to make things a bit easier let’s have the 2nd Red Bull team (toro rosso) move out of the way, and Schumi’s having an emotional last race, so he moves out of the way like a dad would to his son.
    Hamilton retires just for good measure.

    #217826
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    necrodethmortem
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    Right. Now do Alonso and we can have a comparison (though I think the latter will be quite a bit more compelling).

    #217827
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    DaveF1
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    Oh dear, this can’t end well.

    #217828
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    Guilherme
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    @sato113 Why did you brush off Vettel’s two retirements, both from reliability problems, as a ‘meh’ race? Also, Webber having bad luck does not mean Vettel was having good luck. There isn’t any sort of relation between the two cars as far as problems go. Quite often I’ve seen reliability problems strucking only one side of the garage.

    At least you said it wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously…

    #217829
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    Australia, Schumacher doesn’t retire, Vettel and Webber get past, Alonso doesn’t. Safety car doesn’t cost Hamilton 2nd from Vettel.

    Hamilton – 18
    Vettel – 15
    Webber – 12
    Alonso – 8

    Malaysia, Webber isn’t held in the pits and retains 4th ahead of Vettel, who avoids Karthikeyan while lapping him.

    Hamilton – +15, 33
    Vettel – +10, 25
    Webber – +12, 24
    Alonso – +25, 33

    China, Schumacher wheel is attached properly and he finishes third. No gearbox penalty for
    Hamilton who finishes second.
    Hamilton p3, Vettel p6, Webber p5, Alonso p10.

    Hamilton – +18, 51
    Vettel – + 8, 33
    Webber – +10, 34
    Alonso – +1, 34

    Bahrain, Lewis doesn’t have those pitstops, finishes fifth.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p1, Webber p4, Alonso p8.

    Hamilton – +10, 61
    Vettel – +25, 58
    Webber – +12, 46
    Alonso – +4, 38.

    Spain, no front wing issue in the race for Webber and Vettel.
    Mclaren fuel Hamiltons car properly and he takes pole and win.

    Hamilton p1, Vettel p7, Webber p8, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +25, 86
    Vettel – +6, 64
    Webber – +4, 50
    Alonso – +15, 53

    Monaco, no changes.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p4, Webber p1, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +10, 96
    Vettel – +12, 76
    Webber – +25, 75
    Alonso – +15, 68

    Canada, Alonso and Vettel pit in response to Hamiltons last stop, Webber doesn’t have gearshift issue in first stint.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p3, Webber p4, Alonso p2.

    Hamilton – +25, 121
    Vettel – +15, 91
    Webber – +12, 87
    Alonso – +18, 86

    European, with no technical issues in qualifying or race a RB one-two. Hamilton overtaken by Maldonado and Schumacher at end as tyres go off, no car failure for Grosjean.
    Hamilton p7, Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +6, 127
    Vettel – +25, 116
    Webber – +18, 105
    Alonso – +15, 101

    Britain, no changes.
    Hamilton p8, Vettel p3, Webber p1, Alonso p2.

    Hamilton – +4, 131
    Vettel – +15, 131
    Webber – +25, 130
    Alonso – +18, 119

    Germany, no gearbox penalty for Webber, finishes 4th, no puncture for Hamilton, finishes 5th , Vettel finishes 6th after penalty for overtaking off track.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p6, Web3er p4, Alonso p1.

    Hamilton – +10, 141
    Vettel – +8, 139
    Webber – +12, 142
    Alonso – +25, 144

    Hungary, Webber does not have differential issue and finishes fifth.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p4, Webber p5, Alonso p6.

    Hamilton – +25, 166
    Vettel – +12, 151
    Webber – +10, 152
    Alonso – +8, 152

    Belgium – not counted due to Grosjean incident making it impossible to evaluate possible finishing positions.

    Italy, No Q3 issues for Alonso so he takes pole and win, Button finishes race in third, Vettel has no alternator failure and finishes 7th.
    Alonso p1, Hamilton p2, Vettel p7, Webber DNF.

    Hamilton – +18, 184
    Vettel – +6, 157
    Webber – 0, 152
    Alonso – +25, 177

    Singapore, No breakdowns for Hamilton and Maldonado, no second safety car ruining Webbers race strategy.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p2, Alonso p4, Webber p7.

    Hamilton – +25, 209
    Vettel – +18, 175
    Webber – +6, 158
    Alonso – +12, 189

    Japan, Webber not Grosjeaned.
    Hamilton p6, Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso DNF.

    Hamilton – +8, 217
    Vettel – +25, 200
    Webber – +18, 176
    Alonso – 0, 189

    Korea, Hamilton doesn’t have rear roll bar failure, finishes 4th.
    Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3, Hamilton p4.

    Hamilton – +12, 229
    Vettel – +25, 225
    Webber – +18, 194
    Alonso – +15, 204

    India, no KERS failure for Webber in race.
    Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3, Hamilton p4.

    Hamilton – +12, 241
    Vettel – +25, 250
    Webber – +18, 212
    Alonso – +15, 219

    Abu Dhabi, 1L of fuel found in Vettels car. Starts from third and finishes second.
    Hamilton p1, Alonso p4, Vettel p2, Webber p10.

    Hamilton – +25, 266
    Vettel – +18, 268
    Webber – +1, 213
    Alonso +15, 234

    America, Webber finished.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p2, Webber p3, Alonso p4.

    Hamilton – +25, 291
    Vettel – +18, 286
    Webber – +15, 228
    Alonso +12, 246

    Brazil, no crash between Hulk and Hamilton.
    Hamilton p2, Alonso p4, Webber p6, Vettel p7.

    Hamilton – +18, 309
    Vettel – +6, 292
    Webber – +8, 236
    Alonso +12, 258

    Actual vs Corrected, difference.

    Hamilton 190/309, -119.
    Vettel 281/292, -11.
    Webber 179/236, -57.
    Alonso 278/258, +20.

    #217830
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    Michael
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    I agree, there’s no doubt that luck played the greatest role in this championship.

    #217831
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    Kingshark
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    So Hamilton champion ahead of Vettel and then Alonso.

    Of course, that doesn’t take into account the factor of Vettel and Alonso, especially the latter, having to drive a slower car – but that’s another debate.

    #217832
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    sato113
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    as i’ve said this is just a sour grapes thread of frustration. it’s not acurate or entirely serious for that matter. @guilherme and my findings are meant to be incredibly biased, against vettel.

    in reply to @NJack i think those calculations would be better if they didnt take crashes and accidets into account. i believe they are part of the mayhem and entertainment that is motor racing. ok the same can be said about car failures but that is more ‘unlucky’ and unfair.
    In regards to accidents, drivers have more of a say on that outcome…
    im gonna do a ‘what if’ championship focusing on just car failures.

    #217833
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    There is often a correlation between speed and reliability. I mean, when Hamilton’s car had been more reliable, it might as well have been slower. Plus, I don’t consider it bad luck when your team messes up pitstops. It means that you and your team did a worse job than your opponents.

    #217834
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    Whether you call it luck or not, it is a very important consideration on how to judge a driver’s performance. If you only look at the tables, you might think it reasonable to say Hamilton underperformed, because you don’t take into account things outside his control. Same for Alonso and Vettel; Alonso did great, but he did not ‘get within 3 points of a superior car’ because he’s god: he came that close because of things outside Vettel’s control.

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