What happened to catching / outbraking?
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31st March 2011, 6:32 at 6:32 am #129156
How come the cars dont catch up to cars that are a few seconds in front and how come outbraking doesnt happen anymore? Ive been watching some races from 1997 and what they do is they can reel in the car a few seconds ahead and then brake a few metres after them to get past. I dont think this happens much anymore, why? Why do they need DRS and Kers when they didnt need it in the 90’s? Nowadays they never catch up to cars that are 4 seconds ahead they just change a few hundreds of a second here and there and I dont see much outbraking.31st March 2011, 6:48 at 6:48 am #165682
The sport is shifting ore and more towards aerodynamics. Thats the battle ground now. Plus drivers need to conserve their tyres more so than ever.31st March 2011, 6:50 at 6:50 am #165683
braking points are much smaller now as well – also, in 1997 there was often a speed difference between the cars doing the overtaking. The cars are much closer in performance now than they were in the 90’s31st March 2011, 8:14 at 8:14 am #165684
Well I was thinking they could remove some of the technology but then again F1 should be the highest and leading motorsport for technology so I dont know31st March 2011, 9:12 at 9:12 am #165685
Since F1 is so interested in being road-relevant these days (you know, with KERS that is actually inferior to the stuff already in cars), can any of the teams explain the real-world application of their aerodynamics?31st March 2011, 9:23 at 9:23 am #165686
I don’t think “getting side by side, speed down the inside, slam the brakes and park the car on the apex” counts as sportsmanlike racing.31st March 2011, 13:29 at 1:29 pm #165687
Err, the block pass has been a traditional racing move since racing began? what on earth isn’t sporting about it!31st March 2011, 14:07 at 2:07 pm #165688
Because you just forced a gap to appear, and you both probably lost 1 second in that corner. It isn’t really an overtake, it is more of a “I am here, now you can’t take the corner”31st March 2011, 18:03 at 6:03 pm #165689
If the overtaker has slowed sufficiently to block the apex (and hasn’t gone steaming wide), then that’s a textbook overtake. Unless you’re doing a Ferrari, making the opponent lose 1sec is a good thing.31st March 2011, 18:12 at 6:12 pm #165690
@karan01 – next, we’ll be condemning actually driving on the track at all during a race because if an overtake happens, the driver who lost a position might get upset and cry.31st March 2011, 19:23 at 7:23 pm #165691
The sport is shifting ore and more towards aerodynamics.
You remember the cars of mid naughties? Dumbo ears Honda? The McLaren that looked like it could drive though cheese and give you a nice assortment of shavings to put on your salad?
I would say we’ve moved to the very edge of the aerodynamic range and now we’re cutting back in.31st March 2011, 19:24 at 7:24 pm #16569231st March 2011, 20:44 at 8:44 pm #165693
That’s the difference between MotoGP & F1. The overtaking and racing in MotoGP is far more thrilling & enjoying comparable to F1 nowadays. Frankly speaking, I almost fall asleep watching most F1 race nowadays.
For me the ratios of controllable driving power/factor for each motoracing that measure the excitement in racing. Last time the driving power in F1 is by far beyond human control and that’s make only best driver lead through the pack. The guts to push beyond the driving limit that measure the Champ.
Stop to limit the F1 engine power or throw away the aerodynamic if we do really want to see such comeback of thrill in F1. What is that if it really you could flat out the paddle in most of the corners!!! (should I say what the difference now between a Hotwheel toy car racing). That’s overtaking only happen/possible on hairpin corner nowadays mostly. Almost impossible to see overtaking in parabolic corner nowadays which indeed more thrilling for me. Given more drive power beyond aerodynamic grip, it will be a measure of skill & guts to go beyond the cornering & overtaking limit.
The un-durable new Pirelli tyres has made things worse for me. Why should driver concentrate more of taking care of the tyres instead of racing & overtaking madly on track. Do you favor more “honorable pitlane” overtaking instead of on track itself? Mostly we see driver tend to pullback for the sake of “tyre preservation” instead of keep pushing for overtaking.
Again comeback to MotoGP, that’s how only the best rider manage to really push in the corner, to overtake or even comeback from behind to win. And that’s really what makes such great rider Rossi, Lorenzo & Stoner with their superb riding & overtaking.
If anyhow safety would be the question, I guess we have enough precaution nowadays not to start worrying about such driving power. Not too pity that MotoGP rider has nothing to compare to F1 carbon fibre monocoque but still manage to push for the thrill.
So much of off-track tactics nowadays has stolen all the racing thrill nowadays. Forgot all the sportsmanlike & tactics behind but in the end we still hail Ayrton Senna as the legend.
Would the driving skill ever matter nowadays, that’s why I doubt we would ever found the next ultimate driver ever in F1. Would you suggest any current champs as the next legend in F1 or so to said racing?
P/S: Not to be bias indeed I did miss F1 thrills during Schumacher & Hakinnen era with such racing thrill and no I did fanatic in MotoGP more compare to F1 (I’m fanatic in anything with speed instead).1st April 2011, 6:30 at 6:30 am #165694
Here, I uploaded a video of what I’m talking about. Back then there were several of these each race. What is with the speed difference? I dont think the Prost is faster car than the Mclaren.1st April 2011, 6:46 at 6:46 am #165695
@Hare – I would say that although the cars are less aero-heavy than say 2008 the focal point for the teams is no less. Just the fact that the FIA put strict aero rules in place for 2009 onwards and accomodated DRS this year surely means that aero is the ‘in-thing’ these days, especially as were in the middle of an engine freeze.
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