Where would Bruno Senna be right now… (32 posts)

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    I think Schumacher probably wanted to get past so he could get on with his race, as he was getting massively held up. So you’re saying that he’s had 6 or 7 major mistakes in 6 or 7 different weekends since Spa? There was Spa, you will claim Malaysia (which I still disagree with) and Australia (although what he did wrong there I don’t know), and obviously Spain. What were the other two or three?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 12 months ago:

    I think Schumacher probably wanted to get past so he could get on with his race, as he was getting massively held up.

    No, he told Natalie Pinkham (I think it was her) that he wanted to get past Senna quickly because they had been caught up in the past and he didn’t want it to happen again.

    So you’re saying that he’s had 6 or 7 major mistakes in 6 or 7 different weekends since Spa?

    - At Spa, he hit Jaime Alguersuari.
    - In Brazil, he hit Michael Schumacher and got a penalty for it.
    - In India, he decided to stay out on soft tyres until the very end of the race (despite the team calling him in early), and lost a points position because of it.
    - In Australia, he was caught up in incidents with Ricciardo and Massa (a lot of people claim that Senna was just a bystander in these, but have you ever noticed just how often Senna is caught up in an incident that was not his fault?).
    - In Malaysia, he lost his front wing on the opening lap, and only recovered the place when the team gave him wet tyres.
    - In Bahrain, he made a mistake on his final lap in Q2. Based on his sector times, he could have out-qualified Ricciardo. But when he made the mistake, he had to settle for 15th.
    - In Spain, he spun off at the end of Q1.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    “have you ever noticed just how often Senna is caught up in an incident that was not his fault?”
    That is not a sufficient argument to claim that Senna was at fault in those particular cases in Australia- Massa in particular ran wide into Senna, I believe because he had just been given a puncture by another driver moments before.

    I did not know about India- all I remember is him struggling having lost KERS I believe.
    For Malaysia, how did he lose his front wing?
    Bahrain is a minor qualifying mistake- hardly ‘major’ as you claimed, although I would agree that it is still poor form.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 12 months ago:

    I believe because he had just been given a puncture by another driver moments before.

    He made contact with Ricciardo, but just because he got the puncture, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t his fault.

    I did not know about India- all I remember is him struggling having lost KERS I believe.

    He lost KERS late in the race. The team told him to come in for his scheduled stop, but he wanted to stay out and try to build up a lead and then pit at the last minute. The team told him to come in again, because they didn’t think he would make it. Senna again decided not to come in.

    For Malaysia, how did he lose his front wing?

    Contact with another driver. Kovalainen, I think. He made an okay start, but took the wrong line into the first corner and lost a bundle of places in the process. He tried to get back past Kovalainen at Turn 4, but lost his front wing and had to limp back to the pits.

    Bahrain is a minor qualifying mistake- hardly ‘major’ as you claimed, although I would agree that it is still poor form.

    Normally, I would be prepared to write that of as a simply error. However, it cost him eight or nine places. It’s a big mistake.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    “He made contact with Ricciardo, but just because he got the puncture, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t his fault.”

    I don’t know what you’re talking about here. Just because Massa got the puncture, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t Massa’s fault?

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 12 months ago:

    I’m talking about Senna. Didn’t Senna get a puncture from hitting Ricciardo? The incident with Riccardo was Senna’s fault, even if Senna was the one to get a puncture from it.

    Even if they were just racing incidents in which he bears no blame, Bruno Senna seems to be involved in more of them than any other driver. Maybe even more than every other driver combined. Doesn’t that concern anybody? Either he’s phenomenally unlucky, or he’s a serial problem.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    I was talking about the Massa incident. Massa had got a puncture the corner before, so when Senna saw a chance to pass him on the outside Massa understeered into him.

    But I don’t agree with the Ricciardo collision either. He went unusually deep into the corner, and Senna was just trying to stay on the track. Senna had gone very wide, but seeing clear space in front of him he was hardly going to take to the grass, so he stays on the outside, at which point Ricciardo runs wide into him. A racing incident in my view, as the two drivers simply feed into one another. He messed up by going a bit too deep, probably following the car in front, but the collision was just unfortunate. In fact looking at the footage, if he hadn’t gone so deep he would have probably been either crowded off the track or crashed into by either the Force India or Webber anyway.

    “Even if they were just racing incidents in which he bears no blame, Bruno Senna seems to be involved in more of them than any other driver. Maybe even more than every other driver combined. Doesn’t that concern anybody? ”
    Seeing as you’ve made this a hypothetical where he clearly ‘bears no blame’, then no it doesn’t concern anybody in that scenario. Because you’ve clearly said he isn’t at fault.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 12 months ago:

    This isn’t about how many mistakes Senna has made. Of course he will make so many mistakes, when after his uncles death, he didn’t start racing full time until he was 21; while guys like Vettel, Hamilton, and Rosberg start karting at the age of 8-10.

    With such little racing experience as he has, it’s hard for anyone in his shoes not to be an erratic driver. Frankly, Senna has some decent pace. He was the only one to match Alonso and Perez in Malaysia, and was also very quick in China. His GP2 victory at Silverstone 2008, qualifying at Spa 2011, and race at Sepang 2012 proves that even despite missing out on a decade of his racing career, he is a very decent wet-weather driver.

    Maybe if he was racing full-time from 1994 – 2005, he’d be even quicker than he is now, and crash far less often? It’s all about experience, think about it man.

    In 2011, Lewis Hamilton made as many mistakes as Senna, imagine how much worse he’d be if he had as little racing experience as Bruno. He would be a complete disaster and would probably get his super-licence taken away from him. That proves that Bruno is doing an immense job for a driver with his background, and had his career never had a 10 year halt to it, he’d probably be a champion by now.

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 12 months ago:

    Of course he will make so many mistakes, when after his uncles death, he didn’t start racing full time until he was 21;

    Didn’t de la Rosa start at a similar age? He doesn’t seem to make as many mistakes.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 12 months ago:

    That proves that Bruno is doing an immense job for a driver with his background

    Except that this “immense job” isn’t good enough for Formula 1.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 12 months ago:

    Didn’t de la Rosa start at a similar age? He doesn’t seem to make as many mistakes.

    De La Rosa start karting at the age of 17. Bruno not until he hit his 20′s. Pedro is much older, and has a lot more experience that Bruno now. Frankly, it’s quite hard to notice any of his mistakes when he’s driving around at the back.

    Except that this “immense job” isn’t good enough for Formula 1.

    Like I said before, in 2011, Lewis Hamilton made as many mistakes as Senna, imagine how much worse he’d be if he had as little racing experience as Bruno. He would be a complete disaster and would probably get his super-licence taken away from him Ide-style. Perhaps Bruno would be as good as Lewis given the same background.
    Likewise, he’s good enough to be in F1. Maybe not at a team like Williams, but he is certainly good enough for say; Marussia.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    Also Pedro started later. He’d had 10 straight years of experience behind him,plus one year as a test driver (back when they actually drove) when he got into F1. Senna had 5/5 and a half years (unless wikipedia is missing some info). Not that he did much in 2009, as he’d been expecting a drive at Honda that year.

  • Profile picture of Frederik Frederik said 11 months, 4 weeks ago:

    I’ve been following Bruno’s career ever since he decided to take on single seaters back in 2004.
    You cannot argue over the fact that Bruno has the talent and the speed. A lot has been written about him only getting into F1 because of his last name. That’s rubbish.

    I won’t deny it didn’t help him at all, but don’t think people who cannot race are being allowed into F1.

    So let’s do a little recap :

    Bruno managed to knock on F1′s door at the end of 2008. That’s only 4 years after he started racing.
    So you have to understand the guy did nothing for 10 years, and then he managed to be at F1′s doorstep after only 4 years of racing. Impressive I would say…

    During those 4 years he collected several wins, and became runner-up in GP2. He would have won it if he didn’t run into a dog that year during a race. He beat the likes of many people who are now competing in F1, like Maldonado, Buemi, Grosjean,…

    People talk about his first year in HRT, (after he had to wait a year) where he was outclassed by his teammate and especially Klien. That’s NOT true. Do a correct analysis of every race and you will see Senna has beaten Chandok, Yamamoto and even Klien at the final races.

    People talk about his performances in the Renault. Don’t forget he had to jump into that car after mid-season, with nearly no running in that car during tests. Also, don’t forget that car was going quickly downhill at that stage of the season.

    Bruno has shown some very decent things during those times, and also this year he’s doing fine I must say.

    There is one thing Bruno needs to improve on, and that’s his qualifying and his consistency. He has indeed made some mistakes caused by a lack of experience. He has to learn, and perhaps he will never fully catch up on the others. We don’t know how much he will grow or can grow, so we have to wait and see.

    Bruno’s not looking impressive or spectacular, but he is still learning. He can only do this by running races. The fact he has to give his car up in FP1 to Bottas isn’t helping him either.

    Once he has the experience and he doesn’t lack confidence, I wouldn’t be surprised we will see a great driver. But is there enough time for him to learn? We don’t know.

    But for now, I’m actually pleased to see him going in F1, especially after all he has done to get there.

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 11 months, 4 weeks ago:

    There is one thing Bruno needs to improve on, and that’s his qualifying and his consistency

    I think Bruno Senna needs more raw speed, Maldonado is clearly the faster of the Williams’ drivers. In Monaco, Maldonado was having a terrible weekend, but was still faster than Senna.

  • Profile picture of Frederik Frederik said 11 months, 4 weeks ago:

    I don’t think Bruno needs raw speed. I think Bruno lacks knowledge on how to set-up his car properly. And with that I mean the tires. Seems Pastor has found something to get the tires work properly. Bruno hasn’t.

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