F1 Fanatic

Can I just point out that nobody knows who actually is the fastest driver? People say that the RBR is the fastest car. How in h*ll do we know that? You could say, “Because the McLarens are x kph slower on the apex of Turn Y in Circuit Z.” So how do we know that that wasn’t the driver?

My point being, take for example the last race, where Vettel was .4 ahead of Button or some such gap. Nobody knows how much of that is driver, and how much is car. It could be that the Red Bull is actually 1 second faster, and Vettel is .6 slower, or it could actually be the McLaren is .5 second faster, as opposed to what people think; and that Button is .9 slower. No one REALLY knows how fast a car could truly go. If Liuzzi and Karthikeyan were driving the Red Bull, I’d bet that the McLaren would have more poles than the Red Bull. Would we be saying then that the RBR is fastest? I think not.

General IMPRESSION being the key word. Nobody really knows. And to be honest the general word in the paddock is that Vettel Hamilton Alonso are the best, rather than just Hamilton Alonso. And most people admit that 2007 Hamilton is much better than 2011 Hamilton.

Sam Michael also said in Nurburgring FP2 (or was it FP3?), “I subscribe…” *Crofty interrupts him *I subscribe to the general belief of the paddock, which is that Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel are the best 3 drivers in Formula One. Those three are the drivers… they can get a good result out of nothing.” – He states explicitly that this is the general paddock belief.

And do tell me the last time a car was not quick but achieved a good result. Also, you point to some big names being out of contention. Who’s fault was that, exactly?

Yes, but let’s not forget Webber has always been massively fast. Remember him out qualifying Ferraris in a Jaguar?

2) Hamilton and Alonso are more exciting and have better drives than Vettel.

Well you’re ignoring the question again. Exciting doesn’t mean they are the best, they just make more of a meal out of getting the victory, even when they have the fastest car.

The question is who is the quickest driver not the most entertaining.

Spot on David.

And dam00r, I never said RBR wasn’t the fastest car (quite the opposite actually), but it’s mostly Vettels talent and speed as to why he’s so far ahead in points this season. And Webbers Championship standing is proof of that.

Point 1. Hamilton won a championship in 2008 in what was NOT the best F1 car. And he would have won more races than Massa if FIA left him the Spa victory. Has Vettel ever won a race with a non-best car?! ..don’t remember.. (STR at Monza 2008 was one of the bests.. and Ferraris-Mclarens were pretty out of contention..)
Despite I don’t like Alonso, he proved to drive very well in the past, with Minardi and Renault.
Point 2. Definitely, Webber’s 2011 car was not exactly the same of Vettel’s..

People always praise raining races, because they level the field and the good drivers get a chance to show their worth, but for some reason, that doesn’t apply to Monza 2008 because Vettel won. Am I crazy, or is there something wrong with that?