F1 Fanatic

Mark has beaten all his team mates till now, including Fernando & Nico.
He has also qualified some dogs at the pointy end of the grid so his speed is not in question.
It was Mark who said, when Jenson got a good car he had Rubens as a team mate, when I got a good car I had Seb.
So if using Mark as a benchmark then Seb must be exceptional.

Sorry Raymondu99, it was a low blow, not proud.
In his first season in F3000 he finished 4th, Mark was 3rd, but the anti Seb people are always saying how Paul Di Resta beat him in alower formula so I thought I might use some of their reasoning.
I know this does’nt make them team mates but it is a spec formula.
I still think Mark is a lot quicker than he is being given credit for.

Vettel reigns supreme.

Vettel makes it all look so easy. All masters make their trades look effortless whether they be musicians or race drivers. He is just so smooth and precise.

I think the telling thing is that he is soooo good and makes it look way to easy that people just can’t believe or won’t accept how great he is. People are like “it just has to be the car no one is that good”

Hamilton has 25% (1 in 4) ‘normal wins’, while Vettel has 21% (1 in 4.75) ‘normal wins’; in statistics, certainly with only 16 and 19 wins to go by, that is called negligible.

Going by the standards Filippinator has set for a normal win, I’ve made a comparison between Lewis Hamilton’s wins and Sebastian Vettel’s wins. So ‘adventage wins’ are races (by Filippinator’s standards) that have been won…
- in a wet or partially wet race
- in a car 0.3 seconds faster in qualifying, disregarding the team mates’ pace
- by contenders retiring, unless he was already faster in the race before they retired

If we would actually take the pace of the team mate as a standard for the car’s speed, both would have had more ‘normal wins’.
This also disregards whether or not a competitor’s car had a faster race pace, which also adds more ‘normal wins’ to both.

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Lewis Hamilton – wins in fastest car
* Canada 2007: half a second faster in quali than anyone else
* United States 2007: McLaren half a second faster than Ferrari’s
* Hungary 2007: McLaren over fastest car by half a second
* Australia 2008: McLaren half a second faster than Massa
* China 2008: McLaren almost half a second faster than Ferrari’s
* Singapore 2009: McLaren fastest car by half a second

Lewis Hamilton – wins in special conditions
* Japan 2007: rain, rain, rain
* Monaco 2008: drying race, lost lots of time in the dry
* England 2008: rain, later drying, Ferrari’s were nowhere in wet
* Turkey 2010: would not have won if not for the Red Bull crash
* Belgium 2010: drying race
* China 2011: drying race, tire advantage

Lewis Hamilton – ‘normal’ wins (25%)
* Germany 2008
* Hungary 2009
* Canada 2010
* Germany 2011

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Sebastian Vettel – wins in fastest car
* England 2009: almost half a second faster in quali
* Valencia 2010: almost half a second faster in quali
* Japan 2010: almost half a second faster in quali
* Australia 2011: almost a second faster in quali
* Turkey 2011: half a second faster in quali
* Monaco 2011: almost half a second faster in quali
* Valencia 2011: almost half a second faster in quali
* Belgium 2011: half a second faster in quali
* Italy 2011: half a second faster in quali
* Singapore 2011: almost half a second faster in quali

Sebastian Vettel – wins in special conditions
* Italy 2008: rain, rain, rain
* China 2009: rain
* Malaysia 2010: rain in qualifying
* Brazil 2010: rain in qualifying

Sebastian Vettel – ‘normal’ wins (21%)
* Japan 2009
* Abu Dhabi 2009
* Malaysia 2011
* Spain 2011

Hi Flippinator,

Your point 1 is not strictly true, In 2008 Hamilton won the championship in the Best car ‘in the wet’ in a year that was one of the wettest in F1 history. The Ferrari was fastest in the dry and useless in the wet due problems with tyre temperatures.

In qualifying, I would think Vettel would still be on pole. If you’re talking of having a clear track and having drivers go on a race-distance time attack, (almost like rallying) I’m also certain that would still be Vettel.