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Who was the worst driver ever to win a World Championship? (106 posts)

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Cristian said 3 months ago:

It’s a very close vote, but I will go with Phil Hill for only one reason : he would probably not have won if von Trips would have lived. And JV beat Frentzen in 1997. I think Frentzen was a huge talent. And JV almost won the title in his debut year against Hill who was very experienced.

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JB said 3 months ago:

@tmekt

Well, you know, WDC is very rarely won without the best car

Well I agree with that but I can think of a certain someone that was close to achieving that feat last year…

The way I see it, he took everything out of his situation but eventually had to fight for it when Brawn, the small team they were, was dropping in the development race.

So you are basically admitting that he seized his chance at a winning car… without it, he still would be an average driver. If it makes you feel better, I´ll say he´s maybe an above average driver but no more than that.
The times he has faster than Lewis last year, 1, he was running newer parts and 2, he had some type of traction control as it was discussed here in the site which was said to have been steering wheel activated…
And whining yes, in the sence he complains about balance…. he is no spring chicken to the sport… he´s been around… it´s about time he knew how to settup his car don´t you think?? And since he is a “worthy” champion, he should have that mastered down don´t you agree?
Truth of the matter is, he´s only quick when the sun shines in a dogs behind once in a while!

Like I said in my previous post, it is my opinion, you don´t have to like it or share it but you should respect it and not question it…

@kingshark
Sorry about the comparisson… I just meant it in the whining department… And I agree, Prost was an excellent driver… He wasn´t called the professor for nothing… although to me, he would be a 3 time WDC not four but that is a whole different can of worms…

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Cristian said 3 months ago:

You don’t have an opinion JB, it’s just a feeling of hate that is talking for you there.
Button is a great driver in my opinion, he won one title, fought for the title in 2010 ( first year at McLaren) was second best in 2011. I agree he isn’t the best but he is a very, very good driver still.
McLaren had for 3 years the best pairing in F1 and wasn’t much between the two.

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tmekt said 3 months ago:

@catracho504
Damn right he “seized” the chance. That’s what successful and ambitious people usually do; they see an opportunity and seize it. I don’t get what’s there to “admit”, if he hadn’t seized the opportunity he wouldn’t have won but he did and won.

I wasn’t talking about him beating Hamilton last year (which he didn’t), I was talking about the year before, 2011, when Button was 2nd and Hamilton 5th in the final standings. It seems to be true that Button is less adaptable, in terms of car suiting him, than certain drivers but when he has a good car that suits his style, he’s very quick. He’s not a bad driver and doesn’t deserve the title which this topic is about.

I certainly can and will question other people’s opinions, I’m entitled to. If you don’t want your opinions questioned you shouldn’t post them in discussion forums.

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Asanator said 3 months ago:

JV

@JB – “2, he had some type of traction control as it was discussed here in the site which was said to have been steering wheel activated…” – WHAAAAAAT!!!!???

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Asanator said 3 months ago:

C’mon….Lets not let the Loonies turn this topic into the Hamilton vs Button nonsense!

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safeeuropeanhome said 3 months ago:

Surprised only one person has mentioned James Hunt. Lauda would have won three years in a row, he had five wins to Hunt’s two before his crash, and then while he was injured Hunt won four races. Don’t see a better argument for a less deserving champion except for Phil Hill. Denny Hulme beat Brabham in the same car, beat Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Gurney, Surtees, Mclaren so he definitely had some talent.

Rosberg’s champion year is a bit of an anomaly given either Villeneuve or Pironi probably would have won if they hadn’t have had those terrible accidents, so consistency was paramount as lots of cars could win races. I don’t really see that much difference between Rosberg’s win and Piquet’s first two titles. Both were very consistent in years where the field was evenly matched.

Jacques Villeneuve made a meal out of his title given the Ferrari was an inferior car, but in those early years I still think he was a very good racing driver. Admittedly his later career doesn’t reflect well on him though.

Someone also mentioned Irvine, he may not have been the best driver but if he had become world champion the only person to blame for that would have been Mika Hakkinen (and admittedly Mika Salo as well). Schumacher wasn’t there for half the season and Mika threw so many points away needlessly.

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bag0 said 3 months ago:

@catracho504

he had some type of traction control as it was discussed here in the site which was said to have been steering wheel activated

We dont know if only Button had it, we just saw that video. Im not trying to argue with your opinion, but for all we know Hamilton could have had it, or he could have had the option for it, as with the rear wing.

@asanator

“2, he had some type of traction control as it was discussed here in the site which was said to have been steering wheel activated…” – WHAAAAAAT!!!!???

Here you go.
Im afraid that the video & picture have been deleted.

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sato113 said 3 months ago:

Jenson Button. sorry mate

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Kingshark said 3 months ago:

@debaser91

Rosberg’s champion year is a bit of an anomaly given either Villeneuve or Pironi probably would have won if they hadn’t have had those terrible accidents, so consistency was paramount as lots of cars that could wins races.

It should be noted that Rosberg was driving a much slower car than either Villeneuve or Pironi.

I’d say that he deserved his championship a lot more than say… JV, who had the best car by a margin and still nearly managed to lose it.

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JB said 3 months ago:

@cristian

it’s just a feeling of hate that is talking for you there.

It´s not hate… I don´t hate Button, I dislike him a lot but, I don´t hate him. He just seems fake and an average driver… But that´s just my opinion.

@tmekt

but when he has a good car that suits his style, he’s very quick.

Which is why I said that even the sun shines in a dog´s a$$ once in a while… Those days in which the car suits him are numbered and further emphasizes what I say that he is just average.

@asanator

WHAAAAAAT!!!!???

Yeah…. it seems you missed the video sir… it was on here and was thouroughly discussed.

@bag0

We dont know if only Button had it, we just saw that video.

Well… his car was the only one sounding funny while the onboard cameras were on…

for all we know Hamilton could have had it, or he could have had the option for it, as with the rear wing.

I honestly don´t think Hamilton had it or had the option for both features… The wing was definitely a management decision… The traction control bit…. If he would have had it…. he would´ve blown Button right out of the track!

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M Dickens said 3 months ago:

I like Button alot as a guy, but he’s certainly not one of the ‘great’ drivers, though he is very good on his day. Also I’d nominate Villeneuve and I know I’m going to get flak for this, Vettel.

Can’t comment on anything pre-80s as I my knowledge of this era is non-existant, though I find what people are saying about James Hunt interesting (never even heard of Phil Hill).

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safeeuropeanhome said 3 months ago:

@kingshark I don’t agree that Villeneuve is that bad, I think people judge him too harshly on what he did after he left Williams. In those early years yes the Williams was the best car, but in 97 he was much better than his teammate, very quick a lot of the time and although he had some erratic performances I don’t see that it was much different to for example how Hakkinen drove in ’99. As for Rosberg, he would not have won had all things been equal and Pironi hadn’t smashed his legs to pieces, just as it would have a hollow victory if Jacky Ickx had beaten Rindt in 1970 or when Hunt won in 76. I agree he deserves credit for winning in a non-turbo car against turbos, but Ferrari lost both their lead drivers, and the Renault with Prost and Arnoux was hideously unreliable.

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matt90 said 3 months ago:

@sgt-pepper You can’t say Vettel and not explain it!

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CarnivorousPope said 3 months ago:

@catracho504 What do you mean by fake?

@sgt-pepper matt90 is correct. Such an explanation is needed for such a claim.

As for the worst WDC I don’t have much historic knowledge of formula one to be able to judge all the champions but from what I do know. I would say Damon Hill or Villeneuve.

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