Who was the worst driver ever to win a World Championship? (106 posts)

  • Profile picture of Nicholas Sunderland Nicholas Sunderland said 3 months ago:

    @catracho504 What benefit could McLaren gain by only equipping Button’s car with such a system, assuming it had a beneficial effect? Furthermore, have you ever heard the car sounding like that at any other event? If it was an isolated incident, then there’s no way you can claim that it accounted for Button beating Hamilton on any occasions.

  • Profile picture of BenH BenH said 3 months ago:

    Arguments for Damon Hill I can see where they come from. He did win the championship in a great car, but looking back, he really should have had it in 94, when his car probably wasnt the best on the grid (after all the super-duper Williams gadgetry from the early 90s had been outlawed by then) and was at an unfair advantage to Michael (who, as it has been stated by team-mates at the time, had many suspect devices available to him on the car). If the stewards from Jerez 97 were at Adelaide, then he would have :P. Plus, for those few years, he was the only person close to Schumachers level. So for that reason, I can’t count Hill in there (plus, I will admit, I was a bit of a Hill fanboy back in the day :P)

  • Profile picture of tmekt tmekt said 3 months ago:

    @catracho504

    I honestly don´t think Hamilton had it or had the option for both features…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19451418

    Hamilton told BBC Sport: “It has not been a great qualifying session for me. We opted to use an old wing. After P3, the new one wasn’t feeling so great.

    “We went to the old wing and it was an awful lot slower. I’ll just have to do the best I can. I will try and do as best I can to back Jenson up tomorrow.”

    Team boss Martin Whitmarsh said he thought the decision to put Hamilton on a higher downforce set-up was a “mistake”.

    Hamilton was definitely part of the decision.

    I also remember an interesting remark from Mika Salo, who does F1 commentary for Finnish television. They had an short interview with Sam Michael before the race and Salo mentioned that after the cameras were off Michael said that (I can remember the exact wording or numbers): “Hamilton lost a couple of tenths because of the old wing but for the rest, he needs to look into a mirror”.

  • Profile picture of craig-o craig-o said 3 months ago:

    Hmm, a very interesting question to bring up! I do believe each World Champion is great in their own way, and each had their own different approach to taking the title. It’s also very difficult to judge drivers from different eras (as was the case when the Champion of Champions contest came about), but here are a few suggestions:

    Farina: Beat Fangio in the very first season, where a single retirement could heavily impact the championship standings. Farina won by just 3 points, gifted from a fourth place. The Alfa-Romeo won every race in 1950 (excl. the Indy 500)

    Hawthorn: Won the Championship with just 1 race win in 1958. He was also given the title after fellow Brit and rival Stirling Moss appealed Hawthorn’s disqualification from the final race.

    P. Hill: Was given the title in tragic circumstances, after his team leader was killed. Least number of points for a Champion and tied for fewest wins. Ferrari dominated that season.

    Andretti: Like Hill, was given the title after his teammate, the highly rated Ronnie Petersen, was killed. Lotus dominated that season.

    Scheckter: Used consistency to beat the very popular Gilles Villeneuve in 1979 in a very strong Ferrari.

    Mansell: Tried time and time again to win the title, lost out to Prost in ’86 despite having the best car, lost out to arch rival Piquet in ’87 after breaking his back, and was soundly beaten by Prost at Ferrari. Dominated in 1992 in that all-conquering Williams, retired, came back before a dismal move to McLaren.

    Villeneuve: Gave the more experienced Damon Hill a run for his money in his debut season, and won many races in yet another very good Williams car. Never won a race after 1997, and now we just can’t seem to get rid of him.

    Don’t get me wrong, what each of these achieved is something only 32 people ever have, but there is obviously the argument that some are greater than others.

    Personally, I would say Villeneuve. Peaked far too early, and then just gave up after running out of things to crash into.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 3 months ago:

    @craig-o
    “Andretti: Like Hill, was given the title after his team mate, the highly rated Ronnie Peterson, was killed. Lotus dominated that season.”

    I don’t think it’s true that he was given the title due to his team mates death. In 6 of the 7 races they both finished, Andretti was ahead. When Peterson died he was 13 points behind Andretti. Assuming Andretti didn’t race differently in the last 2 rounds (he scored 0 points, one of which was due to a retirement), Peterson would have needed a win and 2nd place minimum to take the championship. But perhaps his other race would have gone better had he had competition. It’s sad that the chance to battle for the title until the end was denied, but I don’t think it detracts from Andretti much at all. (In fairness, it should be noted that up until his death, Peterson did have more retirements than Andretti, although only 1 I believe)

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 3 months ago:

    I will say this in Phil Hill’s favour- in the 7 races he competed in during his championship year, he had pole position in 5 and finished on the podium in 6. The reason for him being the lowest scoring champion is partly due to the low number of races, and the presence of a team mate who was on fairly equal terms with him, which meant having to share a lot of points between them (and Moss who as always was very fast when his car didn’t break down).

  • Profile picture of Dizzy-A Dizzy-A said 3 months ago:

    @craig-o @matt90

    Plus, Andretti had 6 wins to Peterson’s 2, and 7 poles to Peterson’s 3.

  • Profile picture of xivizmath xivizmath said 3 months ago:

    I think people vote JV, because he was the latest of the “bad” champions, and a lot of people actually watched him race in the TV or live. He’s a natural pick for people who don’t remember the previous, one-time champions, such as P. Hill, Hulme or Scheckter. Not saying that I do remember them, but that’s what comes to my mind seeing all these votes.

    In my opinion we shouldn’t consider the whole career of the champion in this discussion. Just the year in which the champion won.

    And if you ask me, I’d say Phil Hill.

  • Profile picture of JB JB said 3 months ago:

    @carnivorouspope

    What do you mean by fake?

    It´s hard to explain… The way he carries himself when he´s on camera just seems to prefabricated… It´s like he´s a robot. Nothing spontaneous about him. Him and Michibata like to suck camera every time they can which is actually sad… If you look at it from a “political” point of view it works because that way management notices how many people are fans of his, and might shift the balance in his favor. I just do not like him… and I can´t stand his dad… ugh…

  • Profile picture of Shortstick1 Shortstick1 said 3 months ago:

    You’ve got to be a quality driver to win the WDC in the first place, but my vote goes to Jacques Villeneuve, purely on how he just wasted every ounce of his talent after 1997. I mean, nearly marrying Dannii Minogue wasn’t one of his finest moments, but he now seems to have an opinion on everything even though nobody really asks him (except his commentary roles, of course). And the shocking BAR/Renault/Sauber era (I was 3 years old in 1997, so I only remember his last F1 teams) really turned people’s opinions on him.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 3 months ago:

    “In my opinion we shouldn’t consider the whole career of the champion in this discussion. Just the year in which the champion won.”

    If we do that, then even drivers like Senna, Prost and Schumacher aren’t exempt, and it becomes a very different question.

  • Profile picture of safeeuropeanhome safeeuropeanhome said 3 months ago:

    I don’t think anyone can seriously make a claim for Andretti to be the worst world champion ever. Andretti was probably past his prime in ’78 but he did all the hard slog over the previous seasons to make the car the outstanding package it was with the ground effects system and thus reaped the benefits by being made number 1 driver over Peterson by Chapman. And Andretti was ahead in the championship when Peterson was killed, it wasn’t like he was behind and then overtook when Ronnie died. Come on, it’s Mario Andretti, an all time motorsport great. If you look at his entire racing career and not just F1 it is as good as anyones out there, probably only matched by the likes of Moss and Clark with success across multiple disciplines.

  • Profile picture of Bendanarama Bendanarama said 3 months ago:

    @catracho504

    Thats fair enough to be honest – I can’t criticise you for that because I’m exactly the same way with Hamilton. something about his personality just irritates me. I suppose its the same as the debate over Kimi’s personality that took place in the comments a while back.

    That said, i think it’s unfair to use it to declare him a worst champion. I can understand why it makes you dislike him, but I could just as easily use that stance to undermine Lewis’s title win.

  • Profile picture of Tayyib Tayyib said 3 months ago:

    Jacques Villenueve?

  • Profile picture of Lucas Wilson Lucas Wilson said 3 months ago:

    So I think its time to reveal the winner (or loser really). Who is the worst WC ever?

    Phil Hill.

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