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Who was the worst driver ever to win a World Championship? (106 posts)

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matt90 said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

Actually just realised another thing in Phil Hill’s favour: he was a very good sports car driver. He won Le Mans 3 times and Sebring and Nurburgring 1000km twice. So it should be considered whether we are looking for the worst driver overall, or purely during their time in F1.

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JB said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

@bendana

it’s unfair to use it to declare him a worst champion.

Well thanks for the comment but it´s not just that that makes me think of him as the worst champion… I have said it before… He is the type of driver that has to have everything go his way so that he can actualy win… He´s ok don´t get me wrong but, I just consider him to be an average, maybe above average at best, type of driver… He´s as exciting to watch as a loaf of bread and his whining is never ending. It´s just sick! There is nothing spectacular about him… and even his way of celebrating is ***! LOL…. WT is up with that two handed “w”???? Who spontaneously thinks of celebrating that way??? Even when he was walking up to the podium in australia 2012…. it seemed he was chasing the camera and stick that *** W in front of the camera lense…. anyways, that´s besides the point… he´s just average to me… that is why I say that even the sun shines in a dogs once in a while when Button´s championship comes up…

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Bendanarama said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

Well, that was an unpleasant comment to read.

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aka_robyn said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

@bendana Such comments are his specialty!

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Bendanarama said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

@aka_robyn

I’m getting that impression, and its beginning to make me wonder why I’m trying to be civil.

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DaveF1 said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

Back on topic:

I’ve never witness most of the previous drivers mentioned in this thread during their championship winning years so its hard for me to pick a worst champion. However out of the ones I’ve seen I would have to say Button. He’s not a bad driver by any means but I feel his pre 2009 record was not all that impressive. If anything he reminded me of Coulthard a bit. Good but not really in the elite group.

That being said, he has looked pretty good at McLaren since he joined them but I still doubt whether he can consistently deliver the results over a title race. Especially if drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen are all in competitive cars.

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Ratboy said 3 months, 4 weeks ago:

Some comments deleted.
Let’s keep this on topic and without petty name calling

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matt90 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

Glad this thread wasn’t shut down, as it was quite an interesting discussion until recently. I still want to know why somebody nominated Vettel.

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Todfod said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

Well I wouldn’t want to nominate a champion from the pre 1996 era.. since I wasn’t watching the sport before and I cannot say anything looking just at records and stats.

Personally, I think Jenson Button is hands down the worst driver to win a championship. Followed closely by Villenueve and Hill.

I do not know how Vettel got in that list… that guy is definitely a deserving world champ. Maybe not a deserving triple WDC, but a champ nonetheless.

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JB said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

I feel his pre 2009 record was not all that impressive. If anything he reminded me of Coulthard a bit. Good but not really in the elite group.

My feelings precisely!!!

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Dizzy-A said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

@full-throttle-f1 – Well, it’s possible that Vettel is the best. He after all, is the triple F1 world champion, in this supposedly “competitive” era, something people use against Schumacher. I wouldn’t rule out Kimi either, given his good comeback year and unlucky 2003/2005. Basically, Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton are all really close over the course of their careers.

And I don’t see how JB or DaveF1 is ruining the thread by saying Button’s pre-2009 record is unimpressive. I don’t think Button is the worst champion ever, but some people are going by the champions they have seen, so have limited their choice to the last 15-20 years (e.g. Todfod). Have any of the 4 drivers mentioned above had a season like Button’s in 2001 or 2008? Nope.

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Lucas Wilson said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

@Dizzy-A

Vettel is a great driver, i’ll admit i’m not his biggest fan. But would he be a triple world champion if he hadn’t been in the best car for the past 3 and a half years?

I would have like to see him in Alonso’s 2012 Ferrari. If Red Bull becomes uncompetitive and he stay’s with them, and he manages to to win or almost win the title, then you know you’ve seen a great driver.

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Dizzy-A said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

Would Vettel have have won all the titles with the non-best car? Perhaps not. But nobody wins it without the best car, or at least better reliability/luck.

And for someone who’s been so competitive for the 5 full seasons of their career so far (i.e. not a “flash in the pan” kind of driver, like Villeneuve), SV won’t just forget how to be competitive in an uncompetitive car :P I’d give him time, but I wouldn’t rule out Vettel as not being as good as Hamilton (who similarly has driven competitive cars for most of his career) or Alonso.

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mnmracer said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

@full-throttle-f1
The problem is though, what does it take for people to accept the Red Bull as uncompetitive? People point at Ferrari and say “look how far back Massa is, Alonso is amazing in that shit Ferrari”. Yet no matter how far down Webber finishes, the Red Bull is somehow always considered dominant. All evidence points to that if Vettel had driven the F2012 the same way Alonso had done, the Ferrari would have been considered 2 seconds faster than it is now.

So when you ask yourself -and others- that, first ask yourself, what is my standard for the best car, and am I willing to accept the consequences of that standard when it involves my (non-)favorite driver?

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Lucas Wilson said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

I guess its down to your personal opinion :-).

I never said he wasn’t a great driver. Its just that he’s not my favourite.

My point is that if he was in the Ferrari, and he did what Alonso did, wouldn’t he then be considered to be a ‘great’ driver?

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