Who will be the first driver to be replaced in 2012? (56 posts)

  • Profile picture of plushpile plushpile said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Massa, Senna and the HRT drivers are the obvious candidates. A Torro Rosso seat is never never safe, but I can’t see Marko putting Beumi back in the car just as a yardstick.

    Schumacher has only scored 2 points after 5 races in the same car his team-mate has won a race in, that’s got to be grinding his and Haug’s gears. (This might be a little unfavorable given he lost a shot at the same win due to a pit stop error)

    And as unlikely as it sounds I’ll just throw this one out there – Lewis Hamilton.
    While I’m neither a fanboi or a hater you have to say he’s copped the rough end of the stick lately, there’s no better cars available, but F12012 seems to have 5(ish) teams that can lay claim to being race winning on their day…

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Schumacher has only scored 2 points after 5 races in the same car his team-mate has won a race in, that’s got to be grinding his and Haug’s gears.

    Schumacher’s been very unlucky so far this season, he’s had two retirements which wern’t his fault, in Malaysia Grosjean spun him around and in Bahrain a DRS problem caused him to go out in Q1.

    I’d say Senna’s seat doesn’t look safe, he needs to prove that Spain was just one of those weekends where everything went wrong.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Massa looked ridiculous today. He started 17 and finished 15th in the same car his teammate nearly won. I know he got a drive-through, which costs you about 16-17 seconds, but that is inexcusable. Sorry, but Felipe hasn’t gotten any better since he start of this year.

    I’m still questioning on how fast the F2012 truly is. The 2010-present Massa isn’t a proper benchmark, but then again, neither is Alonso. I’d say it’s anywhere between the two.

    I followed the live timing carefully this race. Looking at the sector times throughout this Grand Prix, it seems that the new, updated, re-nevated Ferrari has legit pace; at least at the hands of Alonso that is. Throughout the race, Alonso was consistently quicker than the Lotus’s, Red Bull’s, Sauber’s and Mercedes’s; and the Mclaren’s for that matter (although Hamilton was on a two-stop). It seemed that only Maldonado’s Williams was slightly quicker.

    To realize how fast Ferrari really were today, if Hamilton wasn’t send to the back of the grid, and had started on pole, Alonso still would’ve finished at least on the podium. That’s a huge improvement from Bahrain and China a couple of weeks ago.

    I know Alonso is a good driver, but there’s no way a good driver could make such a difference on the most car-demanding circuit on the calendar. It may not be the case this year, but because the Circuit of Catalunya is such a car-demanding track; all cars finishing in the podium at the Spanish GP historically fought for the championship until the end. And that was the biggest positive of today’s race for Ferrari. Props to Ferrari.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    @plushpile

    Schumacher has only scored 2 points after 5 races in the same car his team-mate has won a race in, that’s got to be grinding his and Haug’s gears. (This might be a little unfavorable given he lost a shot at the same win due to a pit stop error)

    But who would replace Schumacher? There are no obvious candidates. The only conceivable scenario I can see playing out is Mercedes pulling di Resta out of Force India, but they’d have to give something back in return. Maybe they’d put Robert Wickens in the car, since he’s currently being wasted in DTM … but the team would have to be pretty damn sure that di Resta would be a better investment than Schumacher. Unless they wanted to put Wickens straight into the Mercedes in Schumacher’s place; while he has the pedigree, it’s nevertheless a huge risk.

    <blockquote?And as unlikely as it sounds I’ll just throw this one out there – Lewis Hamilton.
    I can’t see this happening, really. Hamilton’s difficulties can be traced back to the team rather than the driver, so it’s more likely that Hamilton would walk away of his own accord rather than being dropped by the team. I find that as equally unlikely as Schumacher being ditched by Mercedes, because Hamilton would have nowhere else to go. And while I’m sure Red Bull would love to take him on as a “test driver” to “help familiarise him with the team”, it would be seen as a cynical ploy to take Hamilton out of the championship race.

    The only possible scenario that I can think of is Schumacher quitting Mercedes in frustration, and the team roping Hamilton in as a replacement. This would leave an opening at McLaren, but again with no obvious candidate – aside from Kevin Magnussen, who doesn’t really have enough experience – to fill it. Nor can I see Gary Paffet or Oliver Turvey in the car. So they’d probably have to try and lure Alexander Rossi away from Caterham, or take a chance on someone like Kevin Korjus. Talented as those drivers are, neither would be particularly ideal. McLaren would have to throw everything behind Button.

    In the cases of both Schumacher and Hamilton, I think the most likely outcome is one or both drivers leaving their teams at the end of the season, rather than being replaced outright.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    But who would replace Schumacher? There are no obvious candidates. The only conceivable scenario I can see playing out is Mercedes pulling di Resta out of Force India, but they’d have to give something back in return

    Straight swap maybe? :P

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Schumacher to Force India?

    Yeah, right.

    If Schumacher quits the sport, it will probably be because of his frustrations with the tyres. And he’s going to get the same tyres at Force India that he does at Mercedes.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    @prisoner-monkeys Well I do distinctly remember you saying last year that Hamilton could well end up at Force India. Interesting that you’d dismiss a world champion going there now.

    On another note – I could see a top team making a play for Kovalainen. Mid-season? I don’t know. If he sees that he’s done his job with Caterham by building a name for himself to be picked by a top team, then he would. If he wants to build a story/legacy of a driver who left McLaren to help build up a team from Ground Zero, then he probably won’t.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Well I do distinctly remember you saying last year that Hamilton could well end up at Force India. Interesting that you’d dismiss a world champion going there now.

    I remember saying it as well. I also remember it not being very serious, a case of me seeing whether or not I could make a case for the most ludicrous ideas seem plausible.

    On another note – I could see a top team making a play for Kovalainen. Mid-season? I don’t know. If he sees that he’s done his job with Caterham by building a name for himself to be picked by a top team, then he would.

    I think it’s really difficult to judge Kovalainen. He’s done fantastic work with Caterham, but he was a little out of his depth at McLaren. Sure, he’s matured as a driver, but since he went straight from McLaren to Caterham, it’s hard to tell exactly where he falls on the spectrum.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    I don’t think it makes a difference how steep a rise/fall he took in terms of moving teams – as with all drivers, you just judge them against the teammate.

    I also remember it not being very serious, a case of me seeing whether or not I could make a case for the most ludicrous ideas seem plausible

    I also remember that your reply (the gist of it) to just about everyone who was saying it was ludicrous, some in nearly the same way as you said “yeah right,” was “No. Think about it.”

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Shame about Senna. He had a terrible weekend. I wonder if being taken out was a blessing- it prevented him doing a Massa and finishing as shockingly as he qualified in relation to his team mate. His saving grace has been a couple of good races where he outshone Maldonado. If he can return to those and avoid any more weekends like Spain he might be able to save himself. Or in the worst case make himself attractive to other teams.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Shame about Senna. He had a terrible weekend.

    But is it really just one terrible weekend? When teams are making a decision on who to hire and who to fire, they’re not just going to be looking back on the driver’s most-recent race and basing their decision on it and it alone.

    This weekend was perhaps his worst to date, but it was not his only poor weekend. Even when he is a victim of unfortunate circumstances, he seems to have a strange knack for getting himself into trouble a lot. It’s a bit like the way you could swear Hamilton and Massa had magnets in their car last year, since they kept coming together. So you could make a case for Senna being phenomenally unlucky, but at the same time, you have to ask yourself if there isn’t something more to it.

  • Profile picture of Jenifer Stevens Jenifer Stevens said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Massa will be replaced with Fishichella. short term soon… Poor Massa is no longer competitive and is hurting Ferrari in the Constructors points PLUS a team needs two drivers for some help to the other…Fernando is doing this by himself and the cars are the same. Paul de Resta will join the team next year or Sergio Perez.

  • Profile picture of robk23 robk23 said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    I think Massa will see out this season, I can’t see the benefit of putting Fisichella in the car.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Fisichella is solid, dependable, can work with Alonso and has no trouble following orders.

    However, Adam Cooper has noted Adrian Stuil’s presence in the paddock of late, and while he never directly says Sutil could replace Massa, he’s certainly thinking it.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 1 year, 1 month ago:

    Fisichella is a noble #2 driver to Alonso, as we saw back in 2005-06.

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