Why does everyone rate 'Quick Nick' so highly? (35 posts)

Topic tags: drivers, Nick Heideld, Renault
  • Profile picture of butterdori butterdori said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    What I mean to say is that simply doing better than your team mate doesn’t make a huge impression unless you absolutely humiliate him. What distinguishes an exceptional driver from a good driver is that the exceptional driver can drive beyond the capability of that car.

    Vettel’s win with Toro Rosso, Hulkenbberg’s pole position, Kubica’s podium in Monaco, and Kobayashi from time to time last year are some of the examples I had in mind. I’m not sure Heidfeld had such attention grabbing moments.

  • Profile picture of Calum Calum said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    He beat Kubica over a season twice(?)!

    Why is Kubica rated so highly? Well, however good Kubica was, Nick beat him over the season in equal machinery at BMW-Sauber.

  • Profile picture of sbl on tour sbl on tour said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    he,s a journeyman, but then again theres a few of them about arn,t there!

  • Profile picture of Dizzy-A Dizzy-A said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    I’m not sure Heidfeld had such attention grabbing moments.

    I take your “Kubica’s podium in Monaco” and raise you a “Heidfeld’s podium in Monaco”.

  • Profile picture of Zadak Zadak said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    @ Calum He didn’t beat Kubica in 2008

    He may not be the fastest, but I don’t remember EVER seeing him drive badly or have any unforced errors

    He has an amazing talent for getting the car home, and that needs to be commended

  • Profile picture of Adam Tate Adam Tate said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Well everything I could think of to say has pretty much been said, I particularly like your comparison of him to DC, Ned.

    I hope all these posts have answered your question Movement.

    Also of note, he finished 2nd place 8 times, and 4 of those were in 2008 alone, meaning he had to beat a McLaren and a Ferrari to get those podiums, pretty impressive in that year.

  • Profile picture of Calum Calum said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    @Zadac: No he didnt but he did in 2007 (69 to 31 pts) and again in 2009 (19 to 17)

    ;)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    I don’t understand why people rate him so highly, either. Everyone keeps pointing to his habit of beating team-mates on a regular basis as proo that he’s the real deal, yet those team mates have moved up in the world whilst Nick has remained static. And when pressed to explain why he’s never driven a top car, the only response you get is a vague outline of how certain team principals screwed him out of a drive he deserved.

    I personally think he’s one of the moat over-rated drivers in the sport, somewhere between Alonso and Hulkenberg.

  • Profile picture of wasiF1 wasiF1 said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    May be cause he is quick.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    So quick that he’s never won a race?

  • Profile picture of BasCB BasCB said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    I think the problem with Heidfeld is, he needs someone to push him to get the most out of the package. Renault are lucky that Petrov seems to have stepped up a step, and the added pressure of knowing Kubica will return in time helps as well.

    Otherwise, why was Heidfeld only a bit better than Villeneuve. Then Kubica got into the other car, did an amazing first race and hello, Nick Heidfeld started getting better as well to beat him. Same in other cases.

    A dependant, good driver, but not the guy you want to lead your team. Maybe he could replace Massa at Ferrari. Alonso is certainly to push Heidfeld to new heights as well.

    I kind of like the guy as a person. And I was exited when he started racing, as I was living in his home town of Moenchengladbach at the time. But he is no championship material.

  • Profile picture of Slr Slr said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    I haven’t seen a lot of people rate Heidfeld that highly. The most people usually say about him is that he’s capable of winning a grand prix if given the right car, which he has never had. I think when Heidfeld beat Kubica in the back end of 2008 and thoughout 2009, people have started to believe that he could potentially achieve what Kubica could potentially achieve.

    I think he’s capable of winning a grand prix, there are grand prix winners out there who Heidfeld is as good as, if not better than.

  • Profile picture of Palle Palle said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    I think Heidfelds problem is basically that he is too reliable – when put to the test by another driver with an ego as large as a dachshund (ego reversed size of dog), Heidfeld would always yield and get the car home in a secondary position. I remember seeing him in a race, where Kovalainen in a McLaren came out of the pits as Heidfeld in a BMW passed the pit exit. Heidfeld didn’t hold his track, but took an outside line and allowed Kovalainen to get to the track and actually overtake him. A driver like Alonso, Hamilton or Kubica had just held his racing line through the turn, and forced Kovalainen to brake and fall in behind. This incident alone squashed my hopes of ever seeing Heidfeld as a Champion driver. He simply isn’t aggressive enough. He is never the driver to get a DNF, because of a serious prolonged infight with another driver. Not like Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Kubica, Schumacher, Webber, Petrov etc. At least I can’t remember to have seen it ever. If he gets over this mental problem, then he can get to the top of the podium in the right car, without it he needs a miracle to get there.

  • Profile picture of Cacarella Cacarella said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    BasCB’s comment sums it up perfectly for me.
    His change in form when BMW sacked JV is what convinced me he wasn’t that good.
    I would have fired him if I was Dr. Mario, seeing as he had the potential to
    deliver but never did.

  • Profile picture of pepsiperfect pepsiperfect said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Is quick Nick the modern day Mika Hakkinen – it took Mika
    a number of years & further years to record his first
    win, were it something like mp417 that enabled him to
    secure his first win then the mp418 his first title.
    He has similar attributes to the Finn, just not had
    the car

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