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Travis Humphery said 2 years, 8 months ago:

‘… I liken most of their support to that of Manchester United ..’

Hahaha, this is just like how my wife supports Brazil when the World Cup is on!

There are a lot of Ferrari fans out there, but in my mind only about 75% of them are true supporters like you are Rampante.

I dont think that Alonso is guilty by association, I just dont think he’s a nice person in general. I love (to hate) his response in the press conference yesterday in regards to what makes a champion. It’s almost the exact opposite to something that Barrichello said just after the whole incident – that if you win the championship by the number of points that you received by being allowed to overtake a teammate, then you haven’t really won anything.

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Deleted User said 2 years, 8 months ago:

You’re right that ferrari haven’t apologised or seemingly had the gradce to do so but then technically they can’t as then it would be admitting what happened. there’s also been plenty of cases of PR talk from all drivers take Hamilton, Schumi who have said “sorry if…” which basically means nothing to me.

I don’t agree at all with what Ferrari did but I see their logic. What I too love about Ferrari is the way they do what they do and don’t apologise for how they are whether rightly or wrongly and they really are there for the racing and to win. They are passionate and stick by their guns even in the years in the wilderness as Rampante pointed out. It makes them seem arrogant and smug perhaps which isn’t great for their image either.

If I thought any other team was genuinely more sporting or honest I’d support them as I’m a fan of racing first and foremost but I don’t.

“I love (to hate) his response in the press conference yesterday in regards to what makes a champion. It’s almost the exact opposite to something that Barrichello said just after the whole incident – that if you win the championship by the number of points that you received by being allowed to overtake a teammate, then you haven’t really won anything. “

I noticed the difference between him and Barrichello’s answers too. It showss the difference in mentalities between the two. I’d like to think I’m more on Rubens side as if you don’t win fairly then it isn’t a win but I guess it’s easy for drivers to lose sight of that. I think it also shows the desire Alonso has to win at all costs. I find him a truly fascinating character. Perhaps given how emotional him and Ferrari can be it’s easy to see thei desparation to win at times.

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Ads21 said 2 years, 8 months ago:

I think a lot of Alonso’s response was simply he doesn’t take kindly to heavilly loaded questioning from tabloid jorunos. When reporters are trying to get a reaction and get him to give an answer they can to make a negative headline out of he just gives them one word answers.

He might think that no tile he wins from now on in will mean more to him than ’06 purely because of the way he withstood all the pressure from Schumacher. But if he’d said that the headlines would be “Alonso: Winning this year wouldn’t mean as much as previous titles” Alonso is actually very frank and self critical in many interviews, like the one James Allen reported on yesterday. Its just he doesn’t play ball when the press pack is haunding him in the press conferences.

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Deleted User said 2 years, 8 months ago:

Agree there Ads. The press do like to put some pressure on him (which is good as it is their job) but it’s like Alonso switches sometimes and he’s refusing to play. Also I loved that JA article about Alo yesterday where he was quite open about his mistakes esp Monaco.

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Icthyes said 2 years, 8 months ago:

What you�re saying is Alonso is guilty by association because he was a member of two teams caught cheating.

Not in the slightest.

Do you really think Mclaren were happy when Ferrari won with Kimi because they could not put their own house in order?

Funnily enough Martin Whitmarsh was on the TV yesterday saying that not having team orders lost them the 2007 championship. He then said he preferred to see that happen rather than compromise his principles.

I like Mark Webber because he’s never afraid to speak his mind. However, when he does something wrong, he owns up to it. Hamilton owned up to lying to the stewards. Ferrari never do. The former quality is very admirable in modern F1. Most don’t find the latter very admirable at all. I’m not asking you to change your mind, but if you’re wondering why people feel how they do about Ferrari, you have your answer.

The subject of this was if Ferrari’s image amongst other fans will ever recover. I’m beginning to think maybe it never will, which is sad, because Ferrari can win respectably and lose respectably too, but it will always be in danger of being tainted.

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Deleted User said 2 years, 8 months ago:

“The subject of this was if Ferrari’s image amongst other fans will ever recover”

It’s also as much up to the fans as it is Ferrari. They have done things and will probably keep doing things that may offend some but it’s also up the fans about how they look at Ferrari. Whether they view such incidents as a one off or just how they are.

I’m not taking the bait and getting into Aus 09 as I’ll keep it on topic. I can’t think of any big thing Webber has been involved in but he is generally a straight talker who admits his ontrack mistakes so I’ll give you that.

I am sure that at times Ferrari will have admitted mistakes such as strategy and errors etc but when it comes to the big things they go with their hearts (even if it is wrong) and so don’t apologise. They can be accused of blindness, arrogance and whatever but they are true to themselves by their own actions in a twisted sort of way I guess.

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Icthyes said 2 years, 8 months ago:

Yes Steph that’s very true, compare China 2008 to Hockenheim for instance.

Anyway to be honest I’m fed up with pointing fingers at Ferrari. These last few days have been highly charged and angered me but to be honest, no matter what a team does expending negative energy about it is only going to make you feel worse. In the end it’s very rare a single act will get you the world championship and if it doe it will have only been 99% of the battle and if Alonso does turn things around I hope I can appreciate the achievement it will have to be. I love F1 racing, I don’t care about the rivalries between or towards teams so why involve myself! I’ll stick to the track action from now on.

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Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 8 months ago:

I hope they don’t recover.

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Ned Flanders said 2 years, 7 months ago:

Sorry to bring this up again now, but I think the simple answer has proved to be: yes, and fast!

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VettelS said 2 years, 7 months ago:

I don’t think that they need to recover. They have this image, and so long as they play by the rules (or break them and don’t get found out) from now on, it’s not a bad image to have.

On the opposite end of the scale, Red Bull seem bent on impartiality. I think there’s a place for both ideals, and it’s good for Formula 1.

Yes Ferrari and arrogant and elitist (probably why they hired Alonso), and no I don’t agree with it, but I guess it just adds something to the sport that wouldn’t be there otherwise.

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