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Video: Vettel’s ’yellow flag’ overtakes (207 posts)

Topic tags: FIA, Vettel, Yellow Flags

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Chalky said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

It’s hard to see, but there is a marshall waving a green flag after the pit exit. So after all that I’m satisfied it’s legal. :D
Green on a dull rainy day never shows up well on TV though. F1 drivers have had plenty of experience with spotting flags at speed. I bet you can’t read a pit board from that view on the TV, but the driver probably could.

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S.J.M said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

They can take away Gold medals from people years after they are won at the Olympics, should proof arise that they were not won in the rules of the games, heck they wiped Lance Armstong off the face of the earth in cyclings history for cheating just a few months ago. Granted, Vettel isnt doping or (i hope) consciously cheating and if Ferrari was to have protested it should have been during the race, if not straight after. No one should want to win it that way, but I suppose we all want fair play and consistant policing of the rules.

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darkenforca said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

To those asking if it’s the Lights or the Flags take precedence. It’s the Flags, The lights to the cockpit aren’t always instant, there is always going to be a delay between the Flags going out and the lights going on in the cockpit.

To those who are asking where the Floppy Markers are in the rule book (Sporting Code), see Keith’s post on the first page. Here

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Keith Collantine said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

The ‘cryptic Alonso Tweet’ which has been referred to says “No tengo milagros, Yo hago de las leyes correctas mis milagros. #Samurai”:

No tengo milagros, Yo hago de las leyes correctas mis milagros. #Samurai

— Fernando Alonso (@alo_oficial) November 27, 2012

I find it hard to believe Ferrari would take three days to decide whether it’s worth protesting something potentially as important as this, for the reasons I described earlier.

However I can see the value for them in fanning the flames for a bit, then saying they won’t protest “for the good of the sport”, or somesuch, giving the Ferrari faithful reason to believe Vettel might have done something wrong and Alonso is the true champion.

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Spawinte said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

There was a green flag waving as Vettel went by. It’s difficult to see but I’ve seen a slowed down frame by frame version on youtube and you can see the flag being waved from the onboard view.

As far as I know flags supersede lights so the pass is legal. Championship over.

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mnmracer said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

Even if some can’t see the color green clear enough:
- everyone can see an object move akin to how fabric moves when waved
- Fernando’s equally grainy onboard shows how clearly the yellow flag stands out.
- there is no ‘blue’ overtaking under yellow.
By the power of deduction, that leads to the conclusion that a green flag was being waved.

Maybe Fernando should remember his stance on this in 2007: “Fernando Alonso believes it would be bad for Formula One if Lewis Hamilton was handed the world championship title via post-race disqualifications.” I guess your true nature comes out when you are to gain.

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mamenf1f said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

But Ferrari do not specify what exactly the are going to protest. Maybe they have found something else or hope to do so.

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August said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

Has this gif been posted here?

http://s7.directupload.net/images/121128/xq7wq2yp.gif

Here you can see the green flag quite clearly.

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Fernando said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

You are discusing about a fake video, when you see the real video, no man and no flag is there

If you prefer in min 11:30 begins this action on this long video

But most of all, Lights are manipulated by Charlie Whiting on Control Tower, he is the main person during the race, his decision has priority over any marshall or flag. FIA Explained it when Schumi overtake Alonso during Monaco 2010 last lap.

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Bob said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

Just saw this article on Yahoo Sports. From the article:

Ferrari are considering an appeal against an over-taking manoeuvre by Sebastian Vettel at Sunday’s chaotic Brazilian Grand Prix which could see the German stripped of his title, it was reported Wednesday.
The Daily Mail claimed that YouTube footage appeared to show Vettel, the youngest triple world champion in Formula One history, overtaking Toro Rosso’s Jean-Eric Vergne under yellow flags in the early laps of the rain-affected race at Interlagos.

Apparently no one spotted the green flag marshal. From the video evidence (presumably the same video) discussed in this forum thread, it’s clear enough that there’s nothing to appeal. The pass was perfectly legal, and Vettel has his championship. Ferrari should just graciously accept defeat, and get to work on next year.

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August said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

@nanof1

You can’t see the marshall’s post in those videos where there’s the rev counter. In this video you can see a hint of brighter green at the marshall’s post.

But most of all, Lights are manipulated by Charlie Whiting on Control Tower, he is the main person during the race, his decision has priority over any marshall or flag. FIA Explained it when Schumi overtake Alonso during Monaco 2010 last lap.

That’s a different case. In Monaco 2010 rules were in conflict. Green flags allowed overtaking but SC rules didn’t allow overtaking on the final lap. But now there’s no reason why you can’t overtake after the green flag.

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Bob said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

@nanof1 – The videos are identical (there is no “real” or “fake”), save for the rev counter, which obscures the marshall post on Reta Oposta from view. If you take a look at the gif posted by @k-august, it’s very clear that the marshall in that post was waving a green flag. Vettel passed that marshall post before beginning his overtaking move against the Toro Rosso. As flags take precedence over blinking lights, the pass was legal.

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Mark said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

Why is everyone not pointing out the obvious… ?

The lights are only a repeat of the flags displayed… so if there is a green light (which EVERYONE agrees there was) then there must have been a green flag at a marshal post somewhere BEFORE the light..

You cannot have a green light without a green flag at a marshall point BEFORE it.

So where was it ? That’s the key question… where was the overtake in relation to THE MARSHALL’S GREEN FLAG (not the green light which is simply a repeater mechanism)…

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Fernando said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

@August

I know that Monaco were a different case, but what I tried to explain is that FIA when that happends explain that in all the cases Race Director decissions and signals (Lights, cockpit leds, monitors advices, etcc…) are over any marshall indication. That is logical.

But if you prefer to think that that is not the way rules work. You take a look to the rev counter and you can check that Vettel begins to use KERS before the Marshall post, and that is not allowed in yellow flag conditions, FIA explain a few races ago that in yellow flags condition no KERS or DRS is allowed.

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F1Rollout said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

The rules on flags, lights and zones are clear. You are only in a green or yellow zone if you pass the green or yellow flags/lights. So if you see a yellow light ahead, you are still clear to overtake until you pass that yellow light. When you do, your dash also lights up yellow on the left and right sides. The word Flag also flashes on your dash. Vettel clearly overtook the STR under yellow flag conditions. His dash is lit w yellow lights. I find it hard to imagine he can say he did not see.

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