Nasty crash for Conor Daly in GP3 at Monaco (61 posts)

Topic tags: Conor Daly, GP3
  • Profile picture of Lin1876 Lin1876 said 1 year ago:

    @paulgilb Remember that Derek Daly was driving at a time when ground effect was the main way of generating downforce, to the point where cars often didn’t have a front wing. So when Daly knocked off his rear wing it would not have had as much of an effect as a modern GP3 car.

    For Derek Daly to continue with no rear wing was a minor irritation, whereast for Suranovich to do so was, at the very least, a bit thick.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    Robert Cregan – he drives for Ocean – reckons the black-and-orange flags for Suranovich were displayed for three laps before the incident, though he admits he is unsure whether Suranovich was the only driver with damage at the time.

    Will Buxton has posted on Twitter that Suranovich flipped off the stewards after the incident (though I’ve heard they refused to hear any explanation from him, which is unsual and would have incensed him; I can understand acting rashly in anger), so GP3 might not be seeing the Russian for a while.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    I’m curious as to what @jleigh thinks of all this, since he’s the one leading the calls for Maldonado to be banned from racing.

  • Profile picture of Jake Jake said 1 year ago:

    I was actually on my way back to university at the time so didn’t see it, but from what I’ve now seen, it does seem very irresponsible. However, is it as bad as deliberately driving into another in retaliation? In my opinion, deliberately crashing into another is as bad as it gets. Of course with MAL we have to take into account that he has previous, and is also in F1.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    @jleigh – Where is the proof that Maldonado deliberately ran into Perez!? What was he realiating for? What did he stand to gain from it?

  • Profile picture of Fer no.65 Fer no.65 said 1 year ago:

    @prisoner-monkeys It’s hard to see how that’s not a deliberate move, really. Just look at the space between him and Perez, and the line Hamilton takes (which is the racing line, a lot more on the wall than Maldonado’s line there).

    Not only that, he also turns into the corner a lot earlier than usual. They take a wide line before turning the car across the track, and Maldonado was doing the opposite.

    There’s a precedent, even if it’s still not really 100% clear who did what. But it’s twice already he’s done this… it’s hard to see how that’s a mistake “because he was on cold tyres” as he said afterwards.

    Banning him from racing would be stupid too. But a penalty like this is OK…

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    @fer-no65 – I find it incredibly difficult to see how it was a deliberate move myself. When Maldonado hit Hamilton at Spa, he did it because he felt Hamilton had robbed him of the chance to set a better qualifying time, since Hamilton squeezed him off the dry racing line. The resulting collision was revenge, and the stewards agreed – they reprimanded Hamilton for his role in it, even though it wasn’t Hamilton’s intention to provoke Maldonado. But here, Sergio Perez didn’t do anything to provoke Maldonado. That’s the big problem with the “Maldonado did it on purpose” argument: if it was intentional, then he needed a reason to do it.

    Also, the McLaren behind them (I think it might be Button rather than Hamilton) doesn’t actually take the racing line. He saw them make contact – or guessed that they were about to – and deliberately went a little wide to avoid being caught up in it. The actual racing line is much closer to Button’s position than it is to Maldonado’s.

    The corner in question here is already blind. With Sergio Perez travelling slowly on the inside of the approach to the corner, he was further obscuring it, and so I think Maldonado may have had to guess where the actual turn-in point was and misjudged it.

    Having watched the videos dozens of times, I feel that Maldonado had no reason to deliberately crash into Perez. To be perfectly honest, I think a lot of people are judging him on Spa rather than on what happened here, because they felt the stewards’ response in Belgium was not enough. If Spa had not happened, nobody would be demanding that Maldonado be suspended here.

    The point I’m trying to make is that both Maldonado and Suranovich were idiots. But Suranovich was the bigger idiot. Where there is a plausible explanation for Maldonado having simply made a mistake – call it reasonable doubt – there is no such case for Suranovich. He ignored black-and-orange flags for as many as three laps, continued driving at race speeds with a terminally-damaged car, and weaved multiple times across the circuit. The end result was that Conor Daly was launched into the air, with the only thing standing between the car and a fatal injury to someone being the catch fence. Maldonado, on the other hand, was involved in a low-speed collision with another car that posed no immediate danger to anyone, and which I feel can reasonably be explained as driver error as the position of Perez’s car made it harder to see the apex of Portier. Furthermore, I can find no evidence of deliberate intent in Maldonado’s actions, whereas Suranovich’s choice to ignore the flags and continue racing with a damaged car speak to his intent to race on.

    And yet, in all of this, there is a deafening chorus of calls for Maldonado to be banned from Formula 1, but nobody is demanding Suranovich’s head. If anybody deserves to have their racing licence suspended, it is Dmitry Suranovich.

  • Profile picture of F1Yankee F1Yankee said 1 year ago:

    yet another crash that should have been a fatality. what an age we live in.

  • Profile picture of UTBowler0407 UTBowler0407 said 1 year ago:

    That’s absolutely ridiculous. I don’t see Suranovich lasting for very long.

    I’m a bit new to following GP3 so this might be a stupid question, but do they not use wheel tethers? I would think they would, but in the video the wheel simply flies off and hits a couple cars; that could’ve easily been a repeat of the Henry Surtees incident.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 1 year ago:

    The wheel got severed by getting caught on the other side of the catch fence. They can’t be 100% effective, and that was a fairly atypical crash. There are definitely wheel tethers- that’s why the other three wheels are flapping about but still attached to the car.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    They can’t be 100% effective, and that was a fairly atypical crash.

    I agree. Although wheel tethers are designed to improve safety, they cannot absolutely guarantee it in every instance. As is the case with physics, thr wrong amount of force applied at the wrong place at the wrong angle at the wrong time will snap a wheel tether regardless of how strong it is.

  • Profile picture of Funkyf1 Funkyf1 said 1 year ago:

    Weaving, changing direction.. Is dangerous driving on any part of a race track, coming out of the tunnel it’s absurd! Back to school Sura.

  • Profile picture of Don Don said 1 year ago:

    Very glad that Conor is OK.

    Just the thing that IndyCar is trying to prevent with the Rear Wheel Guards. VERY bad things happen when rear ended at over 225 mph!

    I wouldn’t doubt we see the Guards permeate other forms of Open Wheel over time to lessen the possibility of this happening.

  • Profile picture of damonsmedley damonsmedley said 1 year ago:

    What a horrible accident. But it could happen on any street circuit, so let’s not blame Monaco.

    @Prisoner-Monkeys I think it’s very difficult to see Maldonado’s antics as an honest mistake. The racing line is several metres to the left of where he positioned his car and there was no oversteer to be seen. And just because we haven’t seen the reason for Pastor’s anger, does it mean there was not one? He probably felt he’d been held up.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 1 year ago:

    @damonsmedley

    He probably felt he’d been held up.

    On an outlap?

    Wait. Let me rephrase that.

    On an outlap?

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