V8 Supercars often try convoluted Quali systems, often so as to involve a second driver.
See, that’s a time when aggregate qualifying actually would be a good idea. Both drivers will use the car in the race, so the grid should be made up by adding the regular driver’s time to the co-driver’s time.
Yeah I like the idea of aggregate qualifying a bit better for races where multiple drivers are sharing the same car. It adds the dimension of “team X would have qualified better if driver Y hadn’t done a poor lap”.
Agreed, aggregate qualifying makes perfect sense for multi driver lineups.
One of the examples V8 Supercar tried was two races, in which one you had to make a put stop but the other you didn’t (where the choice of which race to pit in was up to the team), the results of which were combined with the lowest average place across the two drivers starting from pole.
Following quali at the circuit is haphazard at the best of times for these races it was madness
Short ovals are safer than the cookie-cutter 1.5-mile ovals; despite the amount of traffic that is involved in running 20-25 cars on just about a mile of tarmac, average speeds are 40-50 mph lower, and higher downforce means cars handle better and might be able to maneuver easier to avoid accidents. Average speeds at Vegas in qualifying for that race were in the 220-225 mph region, the lap record at Iowa is in the 180mph bracket and at Milwaukee around 170mph.
@kingshark Why not just have a simple qualifying shoot-out session. One hour, fastest time gets pole position? Why does it have to be so god darn complicated?
What they have now is a one-at-a-time run, fastest driver gets pole. I can see why they’re looking to spice it up, because qualifying is pretty dull on a short oval. If you’re suggesting that all 26 cars should try to find clean space around a 7/8 mile oval to get in a banzai qualifying lap, all running in and out of the pit lane at different times within an hour, that sounds like a recipe for carnage.
@prisoner-monkeys People want something that is measureable; they don’t want to be sitting in grandstands unable to follow who is in which position until they get a timing sheet after leaving the venue or hearing an announcer call it out.
Exactly – they don’t want to have to bring a pen and paper, going through all of the permutations and asterisks of the new format, trying to figure out what exactly is the true result of what they’ve just spent their entrance money on.
If they’re looking to get two days worth of spectators, I’d hold a one-at-a-time, one lap qualifying on Friday afternoon (I believe Iowa is a Saturday race) to determine the grid for a Sprint race on Friday night, ~75/100 miles, half points awarded. Then, using the results of the sprint race, flip the grid for the full race ~200/250 miles on Saturday night with full points awarded.
Ticket holders for the Friday sprint (cheaper!) get a free General admission ticket for Saturday, with an option to upgrade to the grandstands on a first-come-first-served availability basis. Two races, seats full, fans happy.
“Exactly – they don’t want to have to bring a pen and paper, going through all of the permutations and asterisks of the new format, trying to figure out what exactly is the true result of what they’ve just spent their entrance money on.”
One assumes that the organisers would have thought of this and planned some way of keeping spectators updated.