Osama Bin N Gone (31 posts)

Topic tags: Osama
  • Profile picture of Scribe Scribe said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    All in all then, a mixed weekend for Arsenal fan Osama bin Laden.

    Personally don’t think it’s going to make a big differance, the organisation has been on the back foot since this spring when the Muslim countries that have had revolutions basically weren’t having any of it, with a largley national pride and secular feel to their movements, which was brilliant.

    However the effect of having your spiritual leader found and killed we shall have to wait to find out.

  • Profile picture of Zadak Zadak said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Osama was a simbol to the extremists, he was one of the things that made people want to join them.

    One has to assume an organisation that specializes in suicide based attacks will not be as active without as many fresh recruits

  • Profile picture of Mark Hitchcock Mark Hitchcock said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    They buried him at sea within 24 hours of his death (in accordance with Islamic law)

    It actually contravened Sharia law. Burials at sea are only to be used in specific, extraordinary circumstances. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/sea-burial-osama-bin-laden

    Further proof of US ignorance and fuel for the extremist fire.

  • Profile picture of xbx-117 xbx-117 said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Further proof of US ignorance? Man, people just love to find something wrong with everything.

    They found him, killed him, DNA tested the body, took him to sea so no one could dig up the body, and gave him a burial all within 24 hours as per his beliefs (like after all he did they really should care) and its still not good enough. Also, I would consider being a high-profile terrorist and being shot in the head by a SEAL team an extreme circumstance.

    Either way, any excuse will do for extremists to attack. We could leave them alone and they would take our lack of interest personally.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Burials at sea are only to be used in specific, extraordinary circumstances.

    I’d say wanting to prevent bin Laden from becoming a martyr and have his grave become a rallying point for fundamenalists and extremists qualifies as a pretty extraordinary circumstance.

    Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was quickly criticised by Muslim scholars who claimed it had breached sharia law and warned that it may provoke calls for revenge attacks against US targets.

    I haven’t heard anyone from the Islamic community call for revenge attacks because bin Laden was buried at sea. Most Muslims are as happy to see him gone as the West is. In fact, the most the likes of al’Qaeda have said is along the lines of “Argh, no!”

  • Profile picture of Asanator Asanator said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    He was buried at sea because neither Saudi Arabia or Pakistan wanted the body. The Americans were hardly going to bury him anywhere in the US!

    Personally I think they just launched the body out of a helicopter!

  • Profile picture of Ned Flanders Ned Flanders said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    They should’ve cryogenically frozen him

  • Profile picture of Todfod Todfod said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    @Ned. And get him back for the next Austin Powers flick.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Personally I think they just launched the body out of a helicopter!

    No, they did a proper burial at sea: the body was wrapped in a white cloth, and placed on a special platform over the side of an aircraft carrier, the USS Carl Vinson. There’s a short ceremony which may or may not have been conducted, and then the platform was tilted and bin Laden’s remains slipped into the ocean, most likely with weights so that his body would sink rather than be carried by the tide. Simply taking his body out into the middle of the ocean and then throwing it out the side of a helicopter would have been disrespectful. One could easily make the case that bin Laden did not reserve any respect, but the entire point of giving him a burial at sea and doing their best to carry it out under Islamic law was to show to the Muslim world that even though Osama bin Laden was the West’s public enemy number one for over a decade (he was added to the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list in 1998), America was not going to desecrate his body as some petty act of revenge. They wanted to show that even if they had no respect for the man, they did have respect for his faith – or perhaps more fittingly, the concept of his faith – and by extension of that, they had respect for the Islamic world. By treating the body of their most hated enemy with respect becoming of the dead, America also weakened the position of fundamentalists who claim that America is some evil imperialist leper.

    There’s also a certain separation of body and spirit that is common to all religions. When a person dies, body and spirit are separated. The spirit moves on while the body remains behind, and if we wanted to define the spirit, then we could say it is the sum of a person or their essence. Everything they did, everything they amounted to, was no longer in their body. So while it was bin Laden’s body, in the most important aspects (under religious philosophy), it was not Osama bin Laden. The part of him that was gone, the sense of self and identity – what we might commonly call the soul – no more. To attack the body, to desecrate it or disrespect it in some way (like launching it out of a helicopter) would be a meaningless act because it would not harm bin Laden’s soul. Instead, it would be a petty and disturbing act, and the West would lose respect in a lot of peoples’ eyes.

    There is talk that al’Qaeda may retaliate for the death of bin Laden. And there has been the suggestion that some fundamentalists might strike out in anger as his body was not buried under exact Sharia law. But if something had been done that did not show the proper respect becoming of a dead body, retribution would come because all it would do is prove the idea that America is a ravenous imperialist dog.

  • Profile picture of Mark Hitchcock Mark Hitchcock said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Further reading on why the burial at sea wasn’t in line with Sharia law: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13261680

    “It is correct to carry out a burial at sea when someone dies on a sea journey, he says, but in this case there was no sound reason for it.

    The US authorities could surely have found someone – a member of the extensive Bin Laden family, or even one of the many supporters of his “evil” ideology – who would have been prepared to give the body a proper burial, he argues.

    His words were echoed by Mohammed Qudah, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Jordan, who told the Associated Press news agency that burying Bin Laden at sea was not forbidden if there was nobody to receive the body and provide a Muslim burial.

    But he went on: “It’s neither true nor correct to claim that there was nobody in the Muslim world ready to receive Bin Laden’s body.”

    The devil is in the details when it comes to respecting someone’s religious beliefs. Clearly they did the minimum (by burying him within 24 hours with some religious words spoken) but it’s also clear that not wanting to create the opportunity for a shrine was their main concern.

    Basically if you’re trying not to piss off religious zealots by respecting their burial practice it’s best to do it properly…

  • Profile picture of BrawnGP BrawnGP said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Hes gone… and burried… think the thread can be closed now, I for one couldn’t care less how or where he was burried… unless it was my garden in which case I’d charge terrorists to come there AND have the americans bug he place so they can hear them all…

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Basically if you’re trying not to piss off religious zealots by respecting their burial practice it’s best to do it properly…

    Taking several days to find someone willing to take the body is much more likely to upset the zealots than burial at sea is. After all, Uday and Qusay Hussein’s bodies were kept for eleven days after their deaths, upsetting a lot more locals than bin Laden’s burial has. America didn’t just bury the body and then annouce it to the world – they asked both Pakistan and bin Laden’s native Saudi Arabia if they would be willing to accept his body. Both refused.

    Most Muslim reactions that I’ve heard don’t really mind that bin Laden was buried at sea. Some are a little uncomfortable with it, but most of them agree that it was the right thing to do to stop his grave becomng a shrine. The major criticisms of it seem to be coming from Western media looking to find fault with Obama’s actions.

  • Profile picture of dam00r dam00r said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    According to US news, this is the picture (the picture to the right) of Osama photographed dead: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/2/1304329535701/An-image-purporting-to-sh-004.jpg

  • Profile picture of Red Andy Red Andy said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    Quite clearly the picture to the right is a composite of the other two images. Which means it’s fake. And has been ever since it started circulating on Monday.

  • Profile picture of beneboy beneboy said 2 years, 1 month ago:

    As long as the House of Saud and the Pakistani Intelligence Services are allowed to fund and organise Islamic extremism around the world the threat of terrorist attacks will be there.

    Osama bin Laden is an inconsequential figure who was only a bit player in 9/11 and his death means literally nothing to the wider geo-political situation.

    Saudi Arabia was always the real threat to our peace and security and continues to be the real threat to this day but our governments refuse to admit this because the House of Saud has so much money invested in the UK & US economies.

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