F1 Fanatic Live: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix

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  1. Hello all, After a long time
    Unless Ferrari and Merc PU turned down alot i guess they have a real battle but i believe both the WCC contenders are turned it down as RB is gaining time on other 2 in S1 than S2. In S2 they are dead even with a slight advantage to SF/Merc (given they get a clear lap which is real hard to get it )

  2. On Grosjean, is anyone aware of Magnusson having the same issues? To me, Grosjean’s constant moaning really isn’t constructive and i’m starting to think he is some part of the problem. What can an engineer do to fix the problem if the feedback he’s getting is “seriously guys…” or “I can’t believe it…”

  3. Also I guess Having Tire Pressures 22 F/21 R is causing most of the problems. thats like driving on the ice and the track adventures is perfectly reflecting it

    1. That’s very high, I think at Bahrain they ran 16.5 at the rear. They should just make it 16.0 rear / 17.0 front at every track this year, and increase it if people run into obvious problems. The only reason it became so high in the first place, was to curb the delaminations etc. in the previous few years, but I don’t think that should be much of a problem this year.

      1. no not in Bahrain they ran 16.5 thats Monaco
        In Bahrain they ran some around 19.5 or 20 i think but i dont remember
        i guess tomorrow Pirelli should decrease the TP much more because the track has no grip and tires have no grip as well. So Drivers are really struggling real hard

        1. I believe it’s something like that. The team should have been able to figure out solutions to make it better, not worse, by now. Surely they should have expertise.

          And worst case scenario, say it is Grosjean’s driving style, they should be able to figure out exactly what he’s doing wrong via the telemetry.

    1. looks like he got out of that a bit too late to make it into the escape road. But yeah, good thing they have time to repair now. Might have to get a new GB though.

  4. These two sessions really enforces Tire Pressures are so high for the nature of the track. Pirelli should scale them back from the same 2016 level , these tires has no grip at all and they are much harder to operate than 2016. (22F /21R) They are just way too high.

  5. US/SS/S will be the right compound for this track yet pirelli worried about US to bring here, and the Tire pressures are now way too High which makes the wrong tires with wrong Pressures at a Track where the tires cool down so quickly

    1. That car will NOT look good at all when they get it back to ghe garage. Complete rebuild, probably not in time for qualy. And it’ll give us yellows for a long time too.

  6. I have to say if it were me setting off to do my final Q3 run I’d want to be the first driver out, and I’d try to cut the turn eight kerb completely.

    If it works you gain a huge amount of time. If it doesn’t you’re in the barrier and no one else can improve anyway…

  7. Does anyone remember that graphic at the Australian GP where there were little bars breaking sections of the track into smaller intervals? Really wish they would bring that back.

    1. I think they stopped using them because ther were extremelly unreliable. They were wrong so much of the time. But if they did work well, they would be great to have back.

      1. There were also people complaining (even on Sky, i.e. Ted?) about too much information, maybe the technical issues combined with that did it for that nice additional graphic

  8. I predict that the pole time will be 1:47.750 (approximately 1 second faster than last year’s equivalent) since this is one of the current cars’ least favourable layouts.

    1. Eh, that is quite likely the fastest race lap. Even in FP3 the times were down to 1:42s already, so your pole will be at least 5 seconds, more likely about 6 seconds off Jere!

    1. I think it’s done 3 races already. Pretty sure Verstappen’s car will be running for quali (not sure it will hold though, with their recent issues!) but Renault will have done an incredible job if they do manage to give Palmer a car for Q1 though.

  9. 2 funny observations:
    1) cause major crash and take out some cars and get 3 grid place penalty. Have the wrong engine supplier and get 30+ grid place penalty

    2) never ever have seem F1 cars reversing – if cars would not have a reverse half the field would not make it to Q2

        1. Hm, if so, then I am pretty sure he won’t be doing that later in Quali because it clearly cost him. I thought he was setting a faster S1 than Lewis before then ending up 19th on his first run

  10. Hi,
    TV saw VER going the 4 wheels outside of the track at the narrow turn in the old town (don’t remember turn #). I think the regulation about track limit is a major one, am I the only one?

  11. strange tactic for Kvyat – he ran all the session on the same set without pitting? I was following the timing with no TV feed. Didn’t work out for him.

  12. So Ferrari and Hamilton have tyres which have done 4 laps and Hamilton 8 laps for race start. No idea if that will be useful when you are almost 0.5 sec per lap slow.

      1. He mentioned in the interview that the RB cars were probably confused by their slow speed in thinking that they are on a slow down lap, when in fact they are doing a hot lap in the McLaren

    1. Improvement on your scenario from having someone ELSE drop it Keith. Yeah, agree that it is now unlikely anyone will be able to get the tyres fired up to do it at the top end. Williams will have to run to get a lap time at all.

  13. Makes you wonder why they were tip-toeing around the track bothering doing 3 laps before when suddenly they can do it out of the box! Apart from Verstappen everyone improved by a chunk

    1. Was wondering the same.. could the faster heat up decradate the tire faster? So if they wanted to use them in the race the slower warm up was better?

  14. More than 2 seconds faster than last year’s pole time on a circuit that primarily features slow-speed corners + a 2km long flat out section. I wasn’t expecting that much improvement from last year.

    1. Yeah, with all the drag from the larger tyres on that massive straight, its pretty amazing how much faster they go through the twisty bit to make this much of a step forward.

  15. My top 3 prediction for the upcoming race (I expect this time around the race won’t be as straightforward as 12 months ago): 1. Bottas 2. Vettel 3. Perez

        1. They spent a capital on staging those first (maybe only?) “European Games” a few years back. It’s not about loss, but about paying to get a large ad on many screens

  16. This circuit is hilarious, it’s like a race on “Middle East street” on the Paramount Studios production lot. There are few “fans” in evidence, and the ones in evidence are likely paid “extras”.

  17. I watched the F2 sprint race this morning and it was superb, loads of on track action and Charles Leclerc in storming form. Can F1 deliver a similar race….I’m not so sure.

      1. But the think is, he didn’t have any choise but to go on the kerbs, and It seems strange how much they make the car jump. Bottasn’t fault, but a bit unlucky.

    1. RAI was only there because BOT lost grip on the previous corner. So a similar lack of grip just before the crash would have made it hard for him to stay tight inside at the speed he’d chosen.

  18. I think it makes sense. They will need time with a clean track if they want to recover Kvyat’s car so bunching up the field behind the SC is better than just a VSC

  19. Think a VSC would have done there. Car was well off line and on the exit of a slow section. Safety car tow should easily give vettel the lead. I wonder if Hamilton will have the pace to get it back.

    1. If they have to get a JCB on the track though, I cannot imagine doing that with cars constantly going round. When the SC gets past, they get 2-3 minutes to freely move around.

    1. Well if the SC is late in the race and there are lapped cars jumbled within the leaders that would be so annoying just to see the leader run of whilst 2nd and 3rd have to jumble with the traffic…

    1. Large chunks of debris on 3 or more spots on track. Relatively inexperienced Marshalls. I think this taking caution is the sensible thing to do, especially with the high speeds they do here.

  20. Absolute joke. The pack all together. Throw a VSC ! Didn’t need a full safety car. Obviously they just want some easy overtakes on the restart. Let’s give Vettel a few more chances to take the lead…

  21. When it comes between health and safety law versus sport and entertainment, health and safety always win. We should think ourselves lucky that they even put a race on. Hell, even that we have cars. Or even allowed to leave our homes.

  22. If they did the VSC instead of the second safety car we’d be having a race. These we saw from GP2 last year that safetycars are a joke here so why keep throwing them ! What needs a safety car out there now ?

  23. Harry Hogge.
    “No. No, he didn’t slam into you. He didn’t bump you. He didn’t nudge you. He rubbed you. And rubbin’ son, is racin’.”
    ..well this is fun…

  24. This race hasn’t certainly turned on its head, bad for Force India and Ferrari, great for Williams.

    I believe rules regarding the safety car are clear that you can’t stop like that during the restart.

  25. I know it’s controversial but I think there needs to be no overtaking until sector 2 or 3 on the restart because it’s just plain dangerous

  26. been a very interesting race so far! Good battes and incidents. Hopefully now we get a proper battle for the race win!
    Can drivers change tyres in red flag?

    1. +1 a complete joke. I said the same of Maldonado when he did it. You just can’t do that in racing. I really hope he gets a ban for that.

      1. I totally disagree with You. HAM’s brake testing was really unsporting and causing the red flag in the end. You could argue that Vettel don’t hit HAM by purpose – You tend to turn the car to the side You look to and he was very angry.

    1. Hamilton did nothing wrong. It’s been shown multiple times now he drives on a constant line at a constant speed and Vettel hit him, twice. Utter idiot Vettel should be dsq definitely but Hamilton doesn’t deserve anything

  27. Both Hamilton and Vettel were stupid here. But Hamilton started it. All that moaning about how slow the safety car was. Then going far, far slower himself and then slowing down even more suddenly and brake testing Vettel. What Vettel did after was also totally inoppropriate. But Hamilton should not have started it.The other drivers are starting to do more messy driving than Bottas did at the start.

  28. Stewards take too long to make these types of dicisions! HAM needs drive though for break checking. VET needs DSQ straight away other wise they will both affect race out come. Penalise now while race is still going!

    1. Hamilton made a mistake but a disqualification is way too far for what he did. A 5 or 10 place grid drop? A drive through? Nothing? Certainly not a disqualification though.

      1. Well, we’re talking about a move who could litterally take out the guy behind him with no reasonable explanation (car failure or rain).
        Mind you, it pales in comparison to what Vettel did just afterwards.

  29. I hope the stewards dont take any action and just let these two race. Yes i agree it was dangerous but this kinda of stuff makes the race more entertaining for the viewers!

  30. From Perez’s camera angle it doesn’t look like Hamilton brake tested Vettel, Vettel was just being impatient. He knew how vulnerable his car was to the Mercedes customers on the long straight at the restart and was getting impatient.

    1. I think that’s being generous to Vettel. Vettel had no need to pull up beside him and take a swipe at Ham, even if he wasn’t trying to make contact. Vettel should be disqualified.

    2. The first hit was certainly Vettel getting cought out, he mentioned he thought Hamilton brake-tested him. But after that he clearly looked at him, gesticulated and at the same time turned into Hamilton. That was intentional. I would probably consider a black flag for Vettel AND call him into a tribunal to discuss a further race ban.

  31. But what I don’t get is why Hamilton was complaining so much about the speed of the safety car. He then suddenly went MUCH, MUCH slower. This was just before the corner but I still don’t blame vettel for going into the back of Hamilton. That was just too slow. What Vettel did after was just stupid though. Both should be punishid, but Hamilton did just what he complained about the safety car, but much slower.

    1. And no way he stayed within 10 car lengths of the safety car while the lights were still on. Japan 2007 style shenanigans from HAM again. VET may have thrown away a potential win with actions…

    2. You think Hamilton complained for anyone but himself? Braketesting has nothing to do with safetycar going to slow hes just trying to make it hard for Vettel.

  32. I’m almost at the point of using explicit language, but I’ll keep myself from it. But what a farce this race is turning out to be. Where shall I start?
    1. Lewis has lost ALL my respect with his idiotic brake test. He should get a drive through/stop&go penalty.
    2. Vettel was completely right to complain and he DID NOT turn into Hamilton, he let go of his steering wheel to use his hands to communicate with Hamilton. Had Hamilton not done what he did, Vettel wouldn’t have done this.
    3. What a bunch of amateurs those marshals. *sigh* They’re so slow, chaotic and don’t know squat about getting a car out of the way.
    4. The 2nd SC was completely unnecessary and HAM is right with his radio comments, just as Alonso. SC is much more dangerous, since it’s so slow and the tyres get too cold. FIA is doing an amateur job.
    5. Yes, there’s a lot of action, but not the type of action we expect. We expect racing, not damage/incidents due to debris.

    This is just 100% looking like an F3/F4 race. Awful.

    1. Why are so many people defending Hamilton? The onboard with speed graphics from the official F1 feed clearly shows he entered the corner with more than 80 kph and then slowed right AFTER the corner to just 53 kph. Even though the leader is allowed to control the pace, it’s always wrong to brake directly after a corner, you know nobody will expect that. I sincerely hope Hamilton gets punished or otherwise has so much damage from his diffuser that he’ll lose speed.

      1. @Rick: I don’t understand it either. In replay it was clear to see black smoke from Hamiltons rear rigth, so he did a brake test on Vettel and the data shows it – he will be punished, I’m sure.

    1. He slowed down far too much for the corner. It just looked too slow. I don’t get why he complained about the speed of the safety car when he suddenly went much slower.

    1. He may not have brake tested after the corner, but the way he suddenly almost slowed down to a standstill for the corner, Vettel will surely have expected Hamilton to go faster than jogging pace! Just because of how unnessecerely slow Hamilton was makes be blame him for it happening in the first place. I just don’t get why he moaned so much about the safety car speed, then going far slower himself.

  33. Lewis braked after the corner..
    hopefully both of them will deserve a penalty, just to show the others to do not mess behind the SC.

  34. You can see from Vettel onboard that the steering is angled toward Hamilton after he pulls at his level. Thats fine… But then he gesticulates at Hamilton and let the cars bang… Bad temper and reckless but not like a fully volunteer bang… No penalty either side, warn Vettel and let them race

    1. Unintentional. He was creating a gap to SC, VET expected car accelerating out of corner, which HAM wasn’t doing. Pure racing incident. Not a racing incident what happened afterwards.

  35. What is race control waiting on? If they’re going to punish Hamilton and Vettel shouldn’t they do it before restarting the race. They’ve had plenty of time to come to a decision.

    1. I’m amazed they haven’t punished Vettel for deliberate contact. That much is clear. Hamilton’s punishment is much more difficult and will have to be dealt with later when they can look at the telemetry.

    2. If I was the steward, I would wait until the end of the race. If I give out penalty/black-flag now to either driver, the Merc or Ferrari fans would just turn off the TV. This way people would need to continue watching to see what is going on.

    1. They forgot to re-attach. They’ll have to make him pit. Otherwise penalising brake testing and wheel banging for “safety” would look ridiculous. It won’t protect him in an accident – remember MAG last year?

    1. Vettel got away lightly if anything.. he simply drove alongside and turned into hamilton.. he must get a few penalty points for this

    1. It was idiotic, but even I don’t know what he did was exactly dangerous. The way hamilton slowed down was worse IMO. But Vettels respons was really stupid too. Both deserve a penalty, but Hamilton has already got one that worked out worse than he deserved.