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MB and DC worked well together, you could tell they are friends and have great respect for each other.
Personally i would like too see the BBC get another pundit to work beside Jake and Eddie, as i feel that DC is going to be on too much.
For those who might not have had the chance to see it, here’s a link to the BBC documentary JIM CLARK : THE QUIET CHAMPION..
Victory margins, was something i did think about looking into, but it dawned on me that its rather pointless, as clear leaders don’t drive their cars hard for the whole race, but tend to manage the gap and look after their car. So it rarely tells us the true possible performance.
Qualifying results and times against the opposition is also is not a good indication for these years, as the qualifying rules were changing from year to year. In 2004 they had to qualify with race fuel onboard. I remember Schumacher would often sacrifice grid positions, in favour of carrying more fuel to run longer in the 1st stint.
I also understand what your saying Ned about not comparing the out right speed of cars from different years. And their is clear arguments for either side of the F2002 v F2004 debate.
I think the “what was the best car in the 2000’s that wasn’t a Ferrari?” question is an interesting one.
I think i would have to go for the 2006 Renault R26.
I have always thought that holding these races (Korea and Malaysia included) in the early evening is a real unneeded risk. Apart from the obvious lighting problems for the drivers when the race is run even on time, their is also little scope possible delays due to weather, accidents or multiple safety cars etc. Its just a matter of time i feel before a whole race has to be cancelled, or even worse a terrible accident happens due too these scheduling times.
Also on a personal note, i much rather to stay up late to watch qualifying and the race, then having to get up very early on a weekend, but maybe that’s just me ;)
Australian GP also used to be a the “party” race for my friends and me. Every year we would have a night out, and then return to a home after the pub’s close to watch the race in spirited moods ;)..
In racing when some one asks me what is the overall “best”, i take it to mean overall fastest over the set distance to be raced, in this case the F1 world championship.
The 2004 Minardi and 1997 Mclaren were neither dominating or championship winning cars, the F2002 and F2004 were, and are very hard to separate on there relitive years statistics alone. And since the statistics are so close, with individual incidents being the main factors in deciding some results (the 2004 Monaco Tunnel incident for example), I would personally say that the F2004 is the best car of the era due to the fact it was the higher performing of the two. But i would be interested to hear why you feel the F2002 was the “best” car of the 00s.
@Icthyes – This exactly how it see it also. Unlike the comparisons Ned gave, the F2002 and F2004 can be directly compared, as one is a direct evolution of the other, they were designed and driven by the exact same people, raced under the same rules, on the same tracks, in the same era.
They were arguably equally successful in their relative racing careers, but the bottom line is the F2004 was the faster package (most likely the fastest car of all time around a road course).
@ slr – The 2005 cars where certainly slowed by the single set per race tire rules, but the FIA also changed the Aero rules, which attempted to reduce downforce by roughly one-quarter (the teams clawed back most of it by the end of the season).
Engines also had to last two race weekends, double that of the 2004 regulations, which no doubt reduced the power available to the drivers during the races.
Your right, my apologies, Spa and Suzuka where both run on dry tyres.. I was at Spa that weekend and it was spitting on and off around the circuit during the race, but never enough too change to wets.
Suzuka was the weekend of Typhoon Ma-on, and both the qualifying and race were run on the Sunday. I wrongly remembered the track being partly wet during the race, but it was during qualifying where that was the case.
@ Ned Flanders – Your right, the F2002 has a slightly better wins ratio then the F2004;
F2002 – 17 races – 15 wins ( MS 11 wins, 0 DNF – RB 4 wins, 5 DNF )
F2004 – 18 races – 15 wins ( MS 13 wins, 1 DNF – RB 2 wins, 1 DNF )
F2002 won 88.2% of the races it entered.
F2004 won 83.2% of the races it entered.
But the F2004 is widely regarded as the fastest F1 car of all time. It’s certainly the fastest Ferrari F1 car, which can be seen by looking at the ultimate lap times recorded for various cars around Fiorano during 1000s of km done during testing.
Ferrari F2004 0’55.999 Michael Schumacher 2004
Ferrari F2003-GA 0’56.33 Michael Schumacher 2003
Ferrari 248 F1 0’57.099 Felipe Massa 2006
Ferrari F2005 0’57.146 Michael Schumacher 2005
Ferrari F2002 0’57.476 Michael Schumacher 2002
Ferrari F2007 0’58.366 Felipe Massa 2007
Ferrari F310B 0’59.00 Michael Schumacher 1997
Ferrari F2008 0’59.111 Mirko Bortolotti 2008
Ferrari F399 1’00.226 Luca Badoer 1999
Ferrari 412T 1’00.31 Jean Alesi 1994
You can also look at the fastest laps for the majority of circuits that were mostly unchanged through-out the period, and many are the still the same too this day, and you will see in most cases cars from 2004 hold the records (most times still stand to this day)
Magny-Cours – 1:15.377 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004
Nürburgring GP – 1:29.468 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004
Monza – 1:21.046 – Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari F2004
Melbourne – 1:24.125 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004
Interlagos – 1:11.473 – Juan Pablo Montoya, Williams BMW, 2004
Sepang – 1:34.223 – Pablo Montoya, Williams-BMW FW26, 2004
Bahrain – 1:30.252 – Michael Schumacher Ferrari – F2004 ( GP Circuit)
Montreal – 1:13.622 – Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari F2004
Silverstone – 1:18.739 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, F2004. (Bridge Circuit)
Hockenheimring- 1:13.780 – Kimi Räikkönen, McLaren, 2004
Hungaroring – 1:19.071 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004,
Shanghai – 1:32.238 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004
San Marino – 1:20.411 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, F2004,
Monaco – 1:14.439 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004
Catalunya – 1:17.450 – Michael Schumacher, Ferrari F2004 (Pre Chicane)
(Notable tracks absent from this list are Spa and Suzuka, as they were wet weekends during the 2004 season.)
There is little too separate the F2002 and F2004 in terms of wins statistics, but its clear the F2004 was the faster of the two, probably off all time. So on that that basis, I put F2004 slightly above the F2002.
Jenson Button has just recently put his 1978 Ferrari 512BB up for Auction..
@VettelS – Around the time that the picture first appeared online, i read that the 430 Scuderia was his, but i don’t know if he currently owns it.
Schumacher had a whole host of Ferrari’s (550, 575, 599) and other Fiat group “company” cars during his Marranello days, and he was often out spoken about the various Fiat cars he used as daily drivers, especially Croma and Fiat 500 Abarth. Of course now when he is asked what he drives, he talks only about Merc’s..
I have never seen a comprehensive or detailed list of what Schumacher has in his collection, as it seems to be kept very private. But what is known is that he has substantial storage space at the house he built in 2005 at Lake Geneva, Switzerland. The eight-bedroom house has its own petrol reservoir for his fleet of cars, and are all housed in an underground garage beneath the house.
http://www.livingdesignhome.com/2010/12/michael-schumachers-house/
Michael Schumacher has a Ferrari Enzo.
It’s body is the same colour as the Ferrari F2002, with shadow chrome rims and red brake calliper. The interior trim was designed by Cuoio Schedoni of Modena on request of M Schumacher. Note the MS signature on the door sill..
http://img195.imageshack.us/i/enzo14kp7uu.jpg/
