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  • #216124
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    darkenforca
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    @Oletros

    Unfortunately no, I was incorrect as to where I thought the Flag Points were.

    I apologise if I confused anyone through all of this (I have a feeling that I did.), but it was an honest mistake. Trust me, I feel very sheepish after realizing this.

    The point about the “Floppy Markers” still stands, but it just isn’t relevant at all.

    #216121
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    To follow up, I’ve found this track map which shows a Flag Point I was previously unaware of and makes things a whole lot clearer.

    The lights were on at the Flag Point on the Drivers right, as the should have been with the Maldonado’s car and the rescue vehicles coming to clear the wreckage etc. This Flag Point was under Yellow Flag Conditions, these conditions continued up until the next Flag Point, the one on the Drivers left next to the Pit Lane Exit, which was Green, signalling racing to resume. The lights down towards the end of the straight was the next set of available lights that were able to show Green.

    #216116
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    I’m not 100% sure where the incident is in relation to the Flag Point in question, however, unless it is *directly* opposite the Flag Point, then no matter how close the incident is, or no matter how far away it is from the Flag Point, if it is before the Flag point, then they go Green, after the Flag Point, then they go Yellow.

    The Flags are put out by the Marshals themselves, we aren’t told what flags to put out 99% of the time, we just put them out. If they (Race Control) want a different flag to be displayed then we do so, but that is hardly ever done. (They tend to only ask for a Flag from the preceding point as a sort of “Back-Up” to the next point.)

    #216110
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    @mnmracer

    Yellow should be followed by a Green. Yellow and Red (I assume you’re meaning the Slippery Surface/Debris Flag) does not need the next flag point to display a certain colour and if there’s a Red Flag out on circuit, all points should be Red.

    I really don’t know how to explain this more than I already have.

    The situation we have here is a Yellow Light on drivers right, and a debatable flag on drivers left. If it is a Green Flag being displayed on the drivers left then the pass is legal, no questions asked, there’s always going to be a delay in the timing and reactions of the lights. If, for some reason (A reason that is unknown to me) the sector needs to be under Yellow Flag Conditions, then the whole “Floppy Markers” situation comes into it, which is what I explained earlier. (I can draw a diagram if it’ll help some people wrap their minds around it.) Either way, the pass, down to where it happened on the circuit and ignoring what flags people think they see, is legal.

    Now, people can argue about what flag was waved, and what the .gif did or didn’t show till the cows come home, it doesn’t really change the facts of this so called “Incident”.

    #216032
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    darkenforca
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    To those asking if it’s the Lights or the Flags take precedence. It’s the Flags, The lights to the cockpit aren’t always instant, there is always going to be a delay between the Flags going out and the lights going on in the cockpit.

    To those who are asking where the Floppy Markers are in the rule book (Sporting Code), see Keith’s post on the first page. Here

    #215998
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    @prisoner-monkeys

    The Floppy Markers have no influence as to which flag is being waved. If there is a car stopped between FP1 and FP2, there will always be a Yellow Flag (Depending on the severity it could be Double-Yellows.) at FP1 and a Green at FP2. It doesn’t matter if the car is stopped before or after the Floppy Marker as to what flag is being waved at a Flag Point.

    Which flag to be waved is down to where the incident is in relation to the Flag Point. If there is an incident in the sector between FP2 and FP3, regardless of where it is in relation to the Floppy Marker, then FP2 will go Yellow (Again, depending on the severity of the incident) and FP3 will go Green, it’s the same for other Flag Points around the circuit.

    The Floppy Markers are there to avoid having a chunk of the circuit “Clogged up” (For lack of a better word) by a Yellow Flag Zone.

    @keithcollantine / @raymondu999

    No worries.

    #215989
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    darkenforca
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    Ok, before I start, I’m a Flag Marshal here in NZ.

    @keithcollantine is 100% spot on with his first post.

    The way that the Floppy Marker system works, is that say you have a sector on a straight. Flag Point 1, and Flag Point 2. Now, approximately half way between these points will be a Floppy Marker (It changes depending on the location of the flag points and Line of Sight etc.) If there is an incident between FP1 and FP2 that demands a Yellow Flag from FP1 and it is BEFORE the Floppy Marker, then the cars may overtake from the Floppy Marker onwards provided there is a Green Flag at FP2. If the Incident for the Yellow Flag is AFTER the Floppy Marker, then the cars may not overtake until the pass FP2.

    Given that not only Vettel passes Toro Rosso AFTER the Floppy Marker between FP4 and FP5, I would call that pass 100% legal. You could also call into question the validity of the Yellow Flag at FP4, but that’s down to the lights operator down at FP4 and they may have been told to put the Yellow light on by Race Control or someone else.

    I hope that clears it up.

    #202545
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    What a downpour after the race finished.

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