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  • #300208
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    You are right, it was the Irish flag that was shown, my mistake. I knew he’d had problems with threats made against him and his family and got a bit confused with the details. And yes he considers himself Irish rather than British from what I gather.

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    Simply finishing a race is considered a success at the moment for Mclaren. You really can’t read too much into the performances of the drivers when they have been so badly handicapped by the poor performance of the car.

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    Irvine had problems around that time with Sectarianism, didn’t he? They showed the British flag one race when he was on the podium and afterwards he received death threats (although I think that was a bit later, Argentina 97 according to Wiki). Irish politics and the relationship of Ireland with the British government is an extremely sensitive issue, even more so before the Good Friday agreement. Probably political motivation in the decision to exclude Eddie from the list of Brits to avoid a whole host of problems.

    Anyway nobody has yet put Hill at number 1, which I find a bit unfair. Obviously looking at my avatar you can tell that I am a fan of his, but I think that what he achieved in F1 is underrated in a lot of quarters and he doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

    To only get started in F1 at the age of 32, to only start racing cars at 24 and then be world champion just over a decade later is simply nothing short of remarkable in my eyes. Also the mental strength and fortitude he showed after Imola 94 is something that again, I don’t feel he receives enough credit for. At the start of 94 he was clearly the number two driver in the team, but then after Senna’s death he was hoisted into the position of number one driver in the best team of the early 1990s, something that must have been an enormous challenge for him. Yes he was inconsistent and he made errors, notably in 1995 but in 1994 and 1996 he drove fantastically. When he was at his best, he was very, very good. Suzuka 94, beating Schumacher in the wet, on merit? Not many people have done that. I have to put him at number 1 for these reasons, not just because he is one of my favourites. And of course, he did something none of the others did, and won a world title.

    I find it hard to rate DC, undoubtedly a good driver but he had very good cars in 1995, 1998, 1999 and 2000 and he never challenged for a world title. People like to throw the old inexperience card at DC for his mistakes in 95, but in actual F1 terms Damon wasn’t that much more experienced. I think Damon would have beaten him in 96, the same way he did against Villeneuve. DC was an excellent number two to Mika, but Mika always had the clear edge when the car was capable of winning world championships.

    Brundle and Herbert both had very bad accidents, and neither of them really got a good opportunity in a decent car (well Herbert had the 1995 Benetton, but by all accounts that car was very hard to drive and the whole team was set up around Schumacher anyway). Both also had success in sportscars. I think I’d just give the edge to Johnny, I’m not too familiar with Brundle’s F1 career in the 80s, and Johnny of course managed to win three F1 races.

    So my order would be: Hill, Coulthard, Herbert, Brundle, Blundell.

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    I remember as a 6 year old boy being absolutely inconsolable when Damon Hill’s Arrows broke down at Hungary 1997 lol.

    #299988
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    But why would you do that when you can conserve the car and still finish 1-2? It would make absolutely no sense. If you’re going to blame anyone I would blame the other teams for doing a worse job than Mercedes, if there were more than one team capable of winning each weekend Mercedes would have to push their package much harder.

    Actually F1 is for getting to the finish line in the fastest possible time and always has been, it’s a bonus if there is racing. Drivers used to routinely win by massive margins in the 50s and 60s, and even in the 80s and 90s there was often a car with a massive performance advantage, think the Newey Williams’ or the Mclarens of the 80s. The only difference nowadays is cars are much more reliable so we don’t have the possibility of the fastest car breaking down as much to add a bit of variation.

    #299978
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    It would be nothing short of lunacy to let them race as you suggest, if to do so would severely compromise the ability of either car to reach the finish. Canada is a tough car on fuel and on brakes, even more so without a safety car. Also they have to consider the penalties for engine changes.
    Don’t forget Vettel is actually not that far behind in the driver’s championship. A DNF for either for either or both Merc drivers and things can change very quickly. It is responsible management to let them race up to a point, but not so much that they compromise a 1-2 finish.

    #299815
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    The Mclaren had poorer reliability than the Ferrari but it was still faster on the whole. Mika threw away good points at Imola and Monza, although I recently saw his F1 legends interview on SkyF1 where he said that at Monza he was terribly sick with flu and generally felt terrible. No doubt that was a contributing factor to the famous shot where he got caught crying, because he thought he might have thrown it away. Mika definitely had a scruffy year in 99, with more mistakes than 98 and 2000. If Michael had stayed fit, who knows, it could have inspired him to produce his best form but I feel Michael would have been world champion if he had not broken his leg.

    On a slight tangent Malaysia 99 is one of Schumacher’s best ever performances, to come back and dominate so clearly on pace after a long period out of the car was very impressive. I mean, he put it on pole by 9 tenths of a second!

    Mika was one of my favourite, if not my favourite driver as a kid. I loved his deadpan sense of humour. And I think it is underrated what he achieved after his very serious accident at Adelaide.

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    I agree Mika drove well in the mid 90’s but his 99 campaign counts against him quite a lot for me. If Michael didn’t break his leg then Mika would not be a two time world champion. That’s a big asterisk against his name for me. I’ve seen interviews with Mika saying he found it really hard to cope with the intensity and effort needed to compete for world titles back to back, and this was one of Michael’s biggest strengths. He was very mentally strong. It is no easy feat to compete for the title every season for basically over a decade, especially as during the 90’s he had weaker machinery in a lot of cases. On his day Mika was unbeatable, but he was more inconsistent than someone like Schumacher.

    One of Schumacher’s great strengths was he didn’t need a great car to go fast, the Benetton in 1995 was very hard to drive and the early Ferraris the same. You could see year on year as Ferrari improved the car Irvine got closer to him, (although still behind) because the car was easier to drive and he could access more of the performance.

    Schumacher would never have tolerated Mika coming to the team so it’s all academic anyway, and Mika didn’t have the motivation anymore after 2000. There are so many variables at stake here, not least because Michael Schumacher’s influence on the team was total, he didn’t just get in and drive the car. The whole team was built around him trying to achieve success. With the set up within Ferrari in the mid 2000’s I don’t see Mika beating Michael. On a more level playing field who knows, I still think Schumacher has the edge with his completeness and consistency as a driver.

    #298569
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    Rothmans. I loved the Williams’ liveries from 94-97, with the 96 design my favourite. They also had a spell sponsoring the Honda 500cc bikes before Repsol, and they were really good looking too.

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    I agree, its strange. Jarno Trulli’s comments about Alonso in the roundup just brought him back into my thinking, he raced in over 200 GP’s and was in F1 as recently as 2011 but again, out of sight, out of mind.

    #297786
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    I did mention good old Zsolt way back when this discussion started. In the second post. Clearly he is so forgettable that he has actually been forgotten even during this discussion itself lol

    #297478
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    Ivan Capelli. Everyone remembers his horror 1992 season at Ferrari, and less is said about his performances at Leyton House that got him the drive in the first place (in addition to his Italian nationality).

    Ralf Schumacher’s last 2 years at Toyota were also pretty forgettable. So much so that people forget he was quite good at Williams.

    #297469
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    Yes I think Paul Di Resta will be one where in 10 years people will say, ‘oh yeah I remember that guy…’. He was decent enough but it was kind of irritating how much the British media overhyped him, talking him up for the Mclaren and Mercedes seats for example when there were better qualified candidates.

    Cristiano da Matta
    Sebastien Bourdais, he was meant to be the next big thing when he came over from ChampCar.
    Christian Fittipaldi
    Gianni Morbidelli
    Roberto Moreno

    There will be loads from the 80’s, in the old pre-qualifying days, who have gone to prove in other disciplines that they are very good drivers but were just stuck in terrible teams in F1. A few that come to mind
    Bernd Schneider, numerous DTM championships
    Joachim Winkelhock BTCC champion, German touring car champion
    Gabriele Tarquini BTCC, ETCC + WTCC champion
    Nicola Larini – DTM winner
    Emmanuele Pirro – 5 Le Mans wins

    The most noteworthy thing I remember about Pedro Diniz’s career was his Ligier caught fire very impressively once in 1996.

    #297462
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    Pic drove for Marussia in his first year and then went to Caterham.

    Scott Speed
    Zsolt Baumgartner
    Pedro Diniz – Forti (remember them?), Ligier, Arrows, Sauber. Absolute journeyman driver.
    Riccardo Rosset – terrible driver but rarely mentioned as being terrible like Inoue, Delatraz, Lavaggi etc.

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