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27th September 2014, 14:27 at 2:27 pm #276192
Good job on race 1, Keith. Some good jokes about the safety car and understeer/oversteer with Johnny, along with information on DRS. What was the second way we can tell if it’s being used? Good to see Johnny had the same concern as myself, in that it can be hard to detect when it is being used – it would be handy if all cars could run the yellow stripe like Rowland and a few others do. I think you also pointed out there is a Gurney flap involved, so I see now that it is a little different to F1 DRS, thus working differently.
It’s a shame the race director couldn’t show us better footage early on, like the Fantin/Jaafar incidents or more of the multiple overtaking on lap 1; we were watching the settled midfield, when there was multiple passing going on just before the chicane out of shot. It got a little better towards the end, but I still noticed we didn’t see some changes in the order, like Latifi dropping back or Stevens being passed. Hope I can tune in to the Eurocup – BT Sport listings have other programs there (possibly an out of date listing).25th September 2014, 17:23 at 5:23 pm #276069
Some great analysis there, @matthijs. I’d be very interested to see how his analysis compares to Patrick O’Brien’s of GrandPrixRatings! I do like the look of the other articles, too.
Interesting that it backs up Button being the best wet-weather driver of the modern era – his call at Australia 2010 typifies that. I wonder if that is now gradually fading – I’m remembering a bad call somewhere recently, and he lost the chance to win Malaysia 2012 by thumping Karthikeyan. But he was blameless in Malaysia 2013 – with McLaren and Force India both losing good points with disastrous pit stops. I still think Hulk was robbed in Brazil 2012, so Jenson was lucky there.
1.5 years since a wet race…. odd how it comes in fits and starts! They developed 4 wheel drive for the wet in 1969, after many wet 1968 races, then there was a 2 year dry streak, the longest on record….
Also interesting to see that Senna, Ascari and Villeneuve top the metrics under other circumstances.25th September 2014, 17:07 at 5:07 pm #276068
@gt-racer I can understand the T7 problem, as di Resta’s crash there in 2013 did look like quite a big impact, due to the angle that he hit at. Arguably, this corner could be as dangerous, if not more so, than the Sling, from the higher top speed approaching it, and tighter radius. A slower T7 probably allows more overtaking there and into T8 as well.
How would those two corners do with SAFER barriers on the outside? Maldonado came to a stop very quickly at the sling, and any crash there at all would always bring out the SC/red flag. Could they open that corner up slightly more now? Perhaps keeping it as is actually presents more opportunity for driver error.
Fully open, that section to the hairpin would be breathtaking, and definitely be one of the most challenging sections in F1. You would have to gradually apply brakes each time, from a high initial speed, while maximising the line, coming close to the walls many times, and threading it through the bridge, to have a perfect entry for the hairpin, where running wide at all could blow your entire lap.
@keithcollantine Into T5, that entry kerb is pointless, but I can appreciate that trying to make that corner tighter increases the chance for overtaking into T7 – otherwise there are not many bona fide passing opportunities in the lap. The way I would approach that corner is to make the exit a flatter barrier, rather than one with an outside kerbing put into it. I think this does work well before the penultimate corner, however, and noticed it was introduced at the right hander T8? a few years back.25th September 2014, 3:36 at 3:36 am #276021
Some interesting points here, I have to admit. People do forget his early promise, but I’d say peak-Button equates well with peak-Rosberg, which is just short of the top 4, or Hamilton in particular. Out of the ‘second group’, Kubica you would think could’ve challenged the top drivers, while guys like Webber were occasionally too inconsistent to consistently beat this second group, which includes a peak-Massa as well.
Perhaps Button is a bit like Vergne, suited to race pace, while Hamilton is more like Ricciardo, suited to 1 lap pace? It could also just be which tracks suit which style. Hamilton prefers tracks like Canada, while Vettel likes tilkedromes and Button won at Suzuka where Hamilton has not yet for example.25th September 2014, 3:15 at 3:15 am #276020
Heh, that is great. I would say he also did it in the safest manner possible – R. Asch could skate off down the escape road. Surely in those days there was more danger to his car/front crumpling and setting on fire. Imagine if someone claimed seeing the name was subliminally making a rash reaction all the more likely… :D
I’m amazed Nannini could come back from a severed arm and still race – reminds me of Kubica. Interesting that Asch was fined more heavily – did they suspect he ‘did it for the team’? Or was it a Grosjean Spa ‘affecting the championship’ penalty? Or even just for starting it, a bit like penalising Hamilton instead of Grosjean, even if Grosjean was then the one rolling over Alonso?
Strangely enough, they just announced no charges on Stewart, as Ward had marijuana in his system – that must be recreational, as I doubt it would be a performance enhancer.25th September 2014, 2:53 at 2:53 am #276019
I agree with @george really. They could have a sausage kerb extended from it’s current position at T2 exit to T1 exit, but I imagine that would send cars flying – which is way more dangerous IMO than someone going 1mm over a white line. The first Vergne penalty was ridiculous, as Kvyat was letting him by in a clear team order. Even worse than Grosjean’s Hungary one IMO. We don’t want to see a repeat of Heidfeld in Beijing, or Russian rookie in GP3/Spa.. soon someone is gonna be hurt real bad by flying at high speed off these sausage kerbs, which were put there ‘to improve the racing’ (surely we have learned from 20 years ago?).
Look at Mexico ’67.. lines everywhere, but whatever is fastest is the line taken – to the edge of the tarmac. In the infield, tyres instead of kerbs, so that’s where the drivers drove up to. I’d rather see cars driven to the limits, i.e. right up to the wall, not ‘right up to the white lines’, but I guess I’m a bit old school/too much of a driver in holding that opinion..
I see an analogy to Political Correctness in all this, and thus F1 went rather PC this year, before stepping it back a bit when the generally older fanbase reacted. Hence this ‘radio ban’ being next on the agenda.25th September 2014, 1:33 at 1:33 am #276016
@fer-no65 Ah okay, I didn’t know about that; I should read the forums more. But fair enough – it sounds like a chance to make more current cars rather than now out of date ones. It could be said that there are too many cars anyway, so they need to only add what will bring value or lots of purchases. How many GT3 level cars do we now have?! That must be a popular level.. I would have thought Touring cars would bring in a lot of fans, but perhaps not. Or maybe we have V8 Supercars for that level?
Things seem to have slowed down in the pace of development… it could just be that maintaining what now exists, and some big projects like DX11 leave less time for new things.. though of course there are dedicated staff on each particular area. Track building is its own department and shouldn’t be affected by other things. I can wait a while for Nurburgring, once we have Monza :)24th September 2014, 16:58 at 4:58 pm #275989
Indeed, some of the cars are out of date now, or have been superseded by better ones (e.g. Pontiac Solstice by Mazda MX-5). Perhaps these cars will be free in iRacing Lite (basically a demo version). We do have the WTCC and BTCC BMW/Hondas coming down the pipeline soon I think??
I’m hoping they can upgrade the F1 car to a 2014 Williams sometime, but that might be far off.23rd September 2014, 15:56 at 3:56 pm #275949
@joey-poey Yeah, it’s probably gone on the back burner after release (as a tech track, just to get it out there). I’m sure they’ll concentrate on the ‘big tracks’ for now: Monza, Imola and Nurburgring, before looking to do other tracks. The team is also split between road and oval, although there are not too many big ones left, and ovals are usually quicker to do.
If they don’t sign up another ‘big track’ in the meantime, there’s always work to do, e.g. new Silverstone, forgotten tracks like Donington, or other tech track candidates like Willow Springs (I raced it recently in GPL, what a blast, many long corners). But, I could see something happening with more German tracks, or Hungary, to expand in Europe.23rd September 2014, 13:59 at 1:59 pm #275941
@fer-no65 Yeah, true.. Nurbs and Monaco would literally keep them occupied for the next two years..23rd September 2014, 5:34 at 5:34 am #275816
@fer-no65 Hmm, good point – perhaps time to get that DX11 update ready and out then!22nd September 2014, 17:39 at 5:39 pm #275771
@fer-no65 True, there’s a lot of straights TBH, with more corners now put in for safety reasons. It’s really a true test of car and driver endurance if anything. Looks like 25 hour sessions will be possible (24 hours with swaps, and 1 hour for qualifying!).
@joey-poey It’s a great list for GT/WEC racing, that’s for sure. I think the main tracks they are left chasing to add now are Le Mans, Monaco and Hungaroring. Hungary would be mainly for the F1 car, while the ball is in their court for Le Mans (console money a priority?), with Monaco probably the jewel being chased most. If there’s a long track setup period from hosting Formula E and F1 back-to-back next year, that sounds like the time to be scanning it…
PS. I just saw now how we both proposed a Nurburgring TT series at exactly the same time!22nd September 2014, 14:48 at 2:48 pm #275762
Hmm, okay.. add in Monza and Nurburgring and we could have the start of a series perhaps? :D @fer-no6522nd September 2014, 8:04 at 8:04 am #275706
@fer-no65 Yeah, to be honest, GP circuit suits races and Nordschleife a sort of TT hotlap event in any car. Unique track, unique event?
Nurbs endurance with swaps would be a good test for an eventual Le Mans 24 hours…… I think 2.4 hours like Daytona would be a good event to have as well, alongside 6 hours elsewhere, and maybe something special for Le Mans (12 hours?). How many WEC tracks/cars are there now?22nd September 2014, 0:48 at 12:48 am #275717
Vergne on Raikkonen at T1.. didn’t see it coming and both were just perfect in the amount of space/leaving room.