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26th November 2013, 15:31 at 3:31 pm #245898
Sure, I would be glad to explain where the number came from. Mercedes gained 218 points and McLaren lost 256 points. The net effect is 218 + 256 = 474 points26th November 2013, 13:48 at 1:48 pm #245895
If you’ve watched Hamilton’s interviews recently then you know he’s not happy with himself and in my opinion he shouldn’t be.
At the same time, this season after Hamilton’s move we’ve seen McLaren collapse to P5 and Mercedes rise to P2.
Here’s the shift in points between the teams:
Mercedes: 142 pts to 360 pts – a 250% increase
McLaren: 378 pts to 122 pts – a 300% decrease (reversed for comparison)
All in all, there was a shift of 474 points from McLaren to Mercedes. That is more than Vettel scored this season (397) and more than enough to win the WCC.
Was Hamilton the reason for the shift? It depends on who you ask. My argument is how is it possible for Mercedes engineering to negatively impact McLaren since the teams are independent and the only common link was…Hamilton.
I was dragged into an argument with some other member as to what drivers bring to the table – it’s a common belief that they only bring the keys to start the car (that’s a joke btw for the unfunny minority)
Also in the important stats Hamilton had 5 poles (nearly 6) and nearly 2 victories which is double Rosberg’s adjusted stats. Yes Rosberg had 2 victories but he inherited the 2nd one from Lewis.
Still he was off in my book and in his book. If the Pirellis stay, he needs to get on top of them!25th November 2013, 21:15 at 9:15 pm #245803
Won’t removal of the rpm limit affect top speed and general performance? My understanding is that teams can make these cars too fast and too dangerous for the drivers and that the rules and there to limit them for safety purposes (if driving at 200 mph can be considered safe)
What’s the rationale for wider cars? Sorry I had to ask:-)25th November 2013, 20:29 at 8:29 pm #245801
I agree – DRS with good performance tyres is fine and adds a strategic component as we all wait to see if the driver is going to make it within 1 second and then will he able to pass in the DRS zone?
I think if the tyres are fixed, DRS can stay.
– Better Tyres
– More in-season testing
– Better distribution of wealth
– Less reliance on pay drivers
– More teams and 1 team for Red Bull in F1 (they are welcome to have another one in another category)
Here’s my change to all this – an award of sorts for the back and mid-field teams – let them fight to win something amongst themselves. If they can’t fight for wins or the WDC, give them another award and a place on the podium25th November 2013, 18:14 at 6:14 pm #245835
Not sure how Grosjean could be on top of Raikonnen.
Not sure how Webber could be so low except in comparison to Vettel.
Where’s Alonso? A score 8 from LDM is like a 6 in the old figure skating scoring system:-)
If you ask Hamliton himself, he would put himself there but the truth is that McLaren has nearly collapsed after Hamilton’s departure and Mercedes has become a powerhouse. A lot of that must come from Lewis. From an on-track performance, I would put him in P6 but from a team perspective, I think he deserves to be 2nd or 3rd on that list. Other Vettel and maybe Bianchi (did he clinch P10 for Marussia?), no one brought more to their team than Hamilton did this year.25th November 2013, 17:16 at 5:16 pm #237748
Well, Vettel has done it!
He has beaten his 2011 season in terms of points by winning 9 GPs which is the only way he could have done that as P2 in any of those races would have dropped him from 397 to 390 points.
He also scored enough points to win the WCC alone as Mercedes which was 2nd in the WCC standings only scored 360 points.
Over the 5 past seasons here’s where Vettel was by the end of the season:
In 2009 he had 206 points*, 4 victories, and 8 podiums – 2nd in the WDC
In 2010 he had 256 points, 5 victories, and 10 podiums – Champion
In 2011 he had 392 points, 11 victories, and 17 podiums – Champion
In 2012 he had 281 points, 5 victories, and 10 podiums – Champion
In 2013 he has 397 points, 13 victories, and 16 podiums – Champion
There’s actually one stat that he has not improved since 2011 and that’s the number of podiums – 16 in 2013 versus 17 in 2011!
For the sake of our sanity, let’s hope he doesn’t beat it in 2014:-) Hopefully, he’ll wait a couple of years before breaking that.
* 2009 points adjusted for new scoring system25th November 2013, 1:08 at 1:08 am #245631
So who drinks that stuff? ;-)19th November 2013, 19:36 at 7:36 pm #245509
During the past seasons, we had so many incidents. To quote a few:
1. Button hitting Hamilton in 2011 in Montreal – his spin in the same race?
2. Hamilton’s spin in Hungary in 2011
3. Hamilton and Massa going at it in 2011
4. Maldonado in 2012
5. Grosjean in 2012
6. Schumacher in 2011 and 2012
7. Hulkenberg with Hamilton in Brazil 2012
8. Senna and Kobayashi incidents
8. Vettel/Karthikeyan – Vettel Abu Dhabi/Brazil
I do agree the cars are too planted and that the drivers are really not pushing because that’s the only explanation especially when we consider that there were 5 rookies this season – namely, Bottas, Gutierrez, VanDerGarde, Bianchi, and Chilton.
Even in qualifying, all drivers are giving clinical performances.19th November 2013, 13:46 at 1:46 pm #245085
@Lucas_Wilson amen:-)18th November 2013, 19:28 at 7:28 pm #245144
You said he matched but you didn’t say how he matched him. Was Rosberg competitive? Yes, he was! Was he faster? Nope, he wasn’t! Is he as fast as Lewis? He’s very close but at the same time very, very far away.
Why? Because at the top level the differences are small. The difference between Ronaldo and Messi is very small – same goes for Federer and Nadal. Lewis doesn’t need to be 1 second faster than Rosberg – he just needs to be 0.1-0.2 seconds faster generally speaking and able to put the car on pole when it’s not supposed to be there. That’s all he has to do which he has managed to do this season despite the difficult circumstances, new team and ridiculous racing tyres.18th November 2013, 15:30 at 3:30 pm #245140
@tmekt how much better than 5 (potentially 6 if you include Abu Dhabi) poles and 1 victory (2 if you include Silverstone) do you expect Lewis to have in his 1st year at the team during a season where Red Bull are obliterating the records and have had a complete lock of the end of the season which I incidentally correctly predicted mid-season?
The man’s broken his unbreakable carbon-fiber chassis trying to keep up with the RB9 and has paid a huge price for it and probably over many races.
Give the man a break:-)
Although Merc made many strides forward, Lewis’ team has let him down again – when Lewis is wondering what’s wrong with his pace and if he’s suffered a stroke, it’s the team’s job to know how fast he is and verify the car and the integrity of the damn chassis. If Nadal can’t hit a single serve inside the court over 100 times (akin to laps), would his coach assume that Nadal really doesn’t know how to play tennis at all or would he grab the ball and the racket and start looking at them?
When Lewis had the problem with the wishbone, Lauda was insisting that it was driver error… That’s the problem, right there (which btw I was the only one to point out on F1 Fanatic! Lauda should have gone over Lewis’ car with a toothcomb instead of instantly blaming him. Newey and Horner would have! That shows a tremendous lack of unity within Mercedes and that incident alone is worth 10-25 pts right there! The reason Red Bull is successful is that they sweat every point including the verbal points which are as important as the technical ones.16th November 2013, 20:15 at 8:15 pm #245136
Apparently Hamilton had a cracked chassis and it’s been replaced – however, it is strange to see Rosberg suffer uncharacteristically today. Like Hamilton said a few races back in an interview, Mercedes needs to find the consistency for both cars.16th November 2013, 14:36 at 2:36 pm #245298
I don’t know how any driver can prove themselves at Red Bull against Vettel. The car is without a doubt designed to suit Vettel’s driving style and Red Bull’s goal is to put Vettel in P1 in every race.
If Ricciardo scores half of Vettel’s points next year and beats Vettel in one race, he should consider himself very lucky.15th November 2013, 14:33 at 2:33 pm #245135
Poles are 5 to 3 in Lewis’ favor so Nico has managed to put the car that he’s comfortable with over 3 years on pole 60% of the time. Lewis may have lost pole at Abu Dhabi which would have brought it to 50% for Nico.
Victories are in favor of Nico 2 to 1 but they should have been 2 to 1 the other way were it not for Pirelli. Again 50%.
Overall Nico has a 50% accomplishment record in the stats that matter.
The points tell a different story but that was also the case in 2012 when many believe that Lewis should have won that championship given his electric performances.14th November 2013, 15:10 at 3:10 pm #245123
I think Mark Webber said it best when he said that the Pirellis are not helping Hamilton – Rosberg’s statement is fundamentally flawed because this season has never been about pure speed.