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22nd October 2012, 20:23 at 8:23 pm #213607
F1 is a sport – I don’t think teams should rally around the person they like the most – McLaren’s done that with Button and they will probably never see a WDC/WCC for the next 13 years. They rally around the best driver – and accept their shortcomings along with their greatness so that they may share in that greatness.
From what I have seen, Lewis is extremely nicely spoken and seems the most down to earth of all those drivers. Now his actions on Twitter are just reactions to an extremely unjust situation that a driver of Hamilton’s ability should never have had to deal with.
McLaren have insulted Hamilton much worse than Webber’s been insulted at Red Bull and the difference here is that Hamilton has already given them the only WDC they’ve seen in 13 years.
The way Hamilton has behaved in 2012 is absolutely admirable – the team has taken a WDC and thrown it out the window and he has just complained that he had chosen the wrong wing.
Can anyone imagine what Vettel would have done if the same had happened to him?…22nd October 2012, 19:57 at 7:57 pm #213604
What more incentive does Merc need to rally around Lewis? With the addition of Lewis, they have a proven driver that will maximize their chances of winning a championship as long as Merc produces a good car.
Lewis is very hungry now – he’s already lost 2 WDCs which is more than he’s won. I’m hoping that the move to Merc will re-energize Lewis the most.
If Merc can put Lewis in a car that’s within 0.2 seconds of the top car, I think they’ll be in good shape. Anyway, the start of the next season promises to be a nail-biter…22nd October 2012, 19:02 at 7:02 pm #213599
Well, whoever Mercedes has now is not doing a good job and I don’t think it’s smart to assume they will do better next year. That’s not to say that the person is not good at what they do – sometimes things just don’t work out at 1 team but they do at another.
Someone has to come in who has technical expertise but more importantly can get the best results from the team. Hamilton can only “help” the team develop a good car – he can’t develop it for them. My knowledge of F1 does not extend to TDs unfortunately;-)22nd October 2012, 18:52 at 6:52 pm #213597
I agree, sometimes too many people can become a hindrance. You almost don’t see anyone else talking to Horner other than Newey. That’s why someone needs to come in and sort this who can just address the car performance issues and report to Ross Brawn who can also guide him in the right direction. It’s obvious that Ross Brawn can’t do that himself otherwise he would have – I think he has enough on his plate without managing directly all those directors.
I think it’s obvious they need to bring someone in and make them responsible for anything related to car performance. Someone competent should have no trouble producing a top car with those resources and talent.22nd October 2012, 18:13 at 6:13 pm #213594
yes, you are correct about that and I apologize if it appears that the reply is off-topic. I just wanted to point out that things would be very tough on-track without even taking into account the off-track side of the equation.
Personally, I do agree that Hamilton’s chances of re-energizing Merc and leading them to victory are very low if Brawn and Schumacher have already failed in that respect. IMHO Schumacher is more charismatic and more of a team-leader/builder than Hamilton.
I’m not sure what is holding back Mercedes. They have the resources, they have the drivers and are about to get another top driver but it seems that an important piece of the puzzle is missing. I think the job for answering the puzzle falls with Brawn. He needs to understand why Mercedes is behind the other teams. Renault for instance have managed to come back this year and almost have double the points in the WCC.
When you make billion dollar commitments which is what F1 costs for 5 years, then money is no object and you MUST try to win. Mercedes need to find out the areas where they are weak and make them stronger. They need to find someone with laser focus to manage those shortcomings. Brawn is not in a position to do ALL those things anymore – he has to delegate. If they can find a clone of Horner to lead that effort, they’d be ok.
I’m almost tempted to suggest trying to lure one of the Audi LeMans head honchos (the doctor or his lieutenant) – they REALLY seem to have their act together. Bring them onboard and ask them to address the weak areas.22nd October 2012, 18:01 at 6:01 pm #213593
Is it official that the engines will change in 2014? I heard rumors that Bernie and Ferrari were not in favor of the new engines. Of course, the rumors came after Hamilton announced the move to Mercedes…
Would Merc have an advantage if they move from the 18,000rpm 2.4 liter V8s to a 15,000rpm 1.6 liter Turbo V6 or is it just that the change is so radical that no one knows who will come out on top?22nd October 2012, 16:14 at 4:14 pm #213590
Well, it’s a very tough situation for Hamilton. I’ll let others talk about off track.
On track, however, Hamilton is not on the same level playing field with other drivers and hasn’t been since 2007. Whether the track is 1%-20% more competitive against him, the end result is that he faces way more competition on track.
Now he has the following opponents:
– Massa (huge grudge over 2008 – will take Lewis out in 50% of passes) so Lewis has to perform a master pass.
– Alonso – he views Lewis as his equal and therefore will fight him more than say Button whom he views as a step below him – any race between them becomes part of F1 history.
– Nico – he will be happy to score 5th-10th in every race if he can outscore Lewis just like he did with Schumacher. The stakes are very high for Nico – if he can also outscore Hamilton, then he can make the claim that he’s the best F1 driver in the world even with 1 victory and no WDC…
– Vettel – Stop Lewis, do something!!! Thank you Martin, you rock!
– Webber – he must have team orders to hold off Lewis if he becomes a threat.
– Button and Perez – there’s no way they’ll let “Kid McLaren” pass them in a slower car, expect serious opposition on track from McLaren next year
– Raikonnen – he doesn’t need a reason to get racy with Hamilton:-) It’s a given the moment they are within a second of each other.
– The rest of the field who just want to duke it out with Hamilton even though they don’t have the car simply because that’s the whole reason they’re in F1…
We all saw how racy Schumacher got with Hamilton in Monza 2011 opening a massive gap for Button to pass both. You can’t blame Schumacher – Lewis is probably the reason he came back from retirement…
Not to mention that Hamilton will probably get racy even if he’s a lap down as it’s in his DNA to fight.
Things do NOT look rosy on track for Hamilton to say the least.22nd October 2012, 14:59 at 2:59 pm #213049
I agree that you can do that but you are rolling the dice with your career and hoping that when the dust settles and openings become available, that manager in power at that moment will favor you. It’s a big gamble with a career. I speak from experience as my wife had 7 managers in 7 years at one of the best companies in the world all of whom gave her a review to be promoted EXCEPT for the last manager who found himself with the actual openings to promote and then promoted everyone except my wife and hid the promotions from my wife because that’s what professional people do – so our experience has not been rosy…
It worked out fine for my wife who decided to become an independent consultant and is in a much better spot now than before.
While my wife and you can do that, I’m sure everyone agrees that Hamilton is hardly in the same situation where he can just sit around and wait for 5-10 years hoping Whitmarsh will get better or replaced. He actually DID wait for 4 years which is technically a mistake in F1 and he may pay for it with 3 more years at Mercedes for a final sentence of 7 years… We can only hope that Mercedes has a car that’s within 0.2 seconds of the top car and Hamilton can get back in the game.
That’s why David Hobbs keeps saying that the best drivers weren’t just the best drivers, they knew when to move to another team and which team to move to. 50% of driving skill seems to be choosing the car to drive at the right time…22nd October 2012, 14:05 at 2:05 pm #213047
I disagree – I think the manager is important and if you feel your direct manager does not have the largest impact in your careers and enjoyment of your work at a particular company, then you must be self-employed and probably did that to avoid having a direct manager who has such control over your life.
I don’t think that McLaren with Horner at the helm since 2009 would have yielded the exact same results as Whitmarsh has. Ditto for the change from Ron Dennis to Martin Whitmarsh. In fact the results from 2007/08 and 2009/12 are vastly different.22nd October 2012, 13:22 at 1:22 pm #213325
I wasn’t aware that there are bribery charges and slander… Jail time, lots of it. Plus repossess all his assets and give them to the people who took 2nd place and lost when they should have won. If he’s protected his assets as they usually do, life sentence…22nd October 2012, 12:48 at 12:48 pm #213322
That’s sad, if you have to cheat to win, then you really are not deserving of anything. If Armstrong did cheat to win, then I think he should go to jail. It is so unfair to the athletes who play clean. Better to have a champion who’s a whiner or a spoiled brat but worked for it than an inspirational cheater…22nd October 2012, 12:36 at 12:36 pm #213268
For some reason Webber has not been able to take the fight to Vettel with the EBD or the DDRS. I was routing for him at the start of the season as he has suffered quite a few indignities at RB. Unfortunately we are seeing a repeat of 2011. IMO Mark is not such a slow driver…22nd October 2012, 4:45 at 4:45 am #213260
yes, but if Vettel’s not making corrections and able to dominate as he does then it means the car is fast, not Vettel. Sometimes the RB can pull 0.5 second over a single corner over the 2nd fastest car…
I’m not saying it doesn’t take skill or that another driver could do it better. It’s just that the car is too much of a factor to assess Vettel.
Like Alonso has said when a car poles pretty much 80% of the time, “all you can do is tip your hat off and say good job!”
Vettel is very smart and he has witnessed first hand what a 1-man team strategy has done for him at RB. He has also seen what a 2 driver team strategy has done to Alonso in 2007 and to Hamilton since 2009 and he’s smart enough to know that these two guys are pretty good. If he ever accepts an equal driver, I would be very shocked.22nd October 2012, 2:57 at 2:57 am #213258
It is very hard and too early to make these statements about these 3 drivers. Alonso we have more data on and the 2007 season with Lewis will always loom as the question mark in everyone’s minds. How can anyone be the best and lose to a rookie? That makes no sense…
However, Lewis may have pushed Alonso to become an even better driver at Ferrari just as Alonso initially spurred Lewis on to try and be as good as Alonso. Alonso 2012 might be way better than Alonso 2007…
Hamilton 2012 is absolutely flawless – just incredible and very reserved (even with Twittergate) given the disastrous season he has had.
Vettel is impossible to gauge in the RB7/RB8. Anyone who has seen Vettel driving from the onboard camera knows that the car is self-steered literally (I make more corrections taking my 5 yo to school at 40 mph) and perhaps Vettel’s real skill lies in his ability to let the car do its job with minimal intervention while Mark Webber overdrives the car.
The true test for Vettel would have been having Hamilton/Alonso/Raikonnen/Button as a teammate. Then we’d probably be able to see or extrapolate his overall skill. Of course, Vettel would rather die than have Hamilton or Alonso as his teammate so fat chance of that happening. He’s smart enough not to let Raikonnen near him but might have the ego to accept Button but that won’t happen now that Button is so firmly entrenched at McLaren.
We just have to wait and see.