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    @uan

    I’d be curious who has the longest non-crash streak among current drivers. Vettel used to be dubbed the “Crash Kid” but I don’t remember the last time I’ve seen him crash since Belgium 2010 – I don’t think Brazil 2012 counts has he kept running.

    Rosberg hasn’t retired from a crash since Abu Dhabi 2012, where Karthikeyan apparently unexpectedly lost power on the straight. The last time he retired from a crash that was his own fault was… Monaco 2008.

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    Germany would win, although it would be mighty close with Britain. I think that Vettel’s cooler head on his shoulders (compared to Hamilton) and Rosberg’s superior qualifying speed (compared to Button) would prevail.

    Completely hypothetical, all of course.

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    Bottas has been better than Massa by a bigger margin than the final points tally suggests. If not for his injury in Australia, puncture in Hungary, mixed tyre selection in Belgium, Raikkonen in Russia, and Williams pit crew in Abu Dhabi; he should’ve had 50 more points than Massa.

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    @xtwl
    The margin between Hamilton and Rosberg is rarely more than a few seconds across a race distance. It’s not like Webber who would regularly finish 30 seconds behind Vettel. The average gap – when Hamilton has won – has been 3.1 seconds to Rosberg. That’s a small gap for Vettel to fit in. Generally speaking, if Vettel has the pace to beat Rosberg, he will have the pace to beat Hamilton (Malaysia being the perfect example of that).

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    @xtwl
    It’s the other way around. The less dominant Mercedes is, the points gap between Hamilton and Rosberg decreases. Rosberg’s closest season to Hamilton has still been 2013.

    Take Malaysia for instance. Hamilton finished a few seconds in front of Rosberg as he has done so many times this season, but because Vettel won, Rosberg only lost 3 points to Hamilton instead of the usual 7.

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    @xtwl
    Personally, I rate Rosberg at least on par with Button, while I rate Webber and Barrichello a tier below that.

    Rosberg has never had any seasons like Webber in 2011 and 2013, or Barrichello in 2001 and 2004.

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    @david-a

    – He has the most pole positions of any non-champion already
    – He is within 3 wins of equaling Stirling Moss for most wins by a non-champion
    – Only Moss has finished as runner-up in the championship more times without winning the title
    – He outscored Michael Schumacher for three years in a row
    – He’s a three times Monaco GP winner- more than any other active driver, including Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel.

    I’d like to add one more thing:

    – Between 2008 and 2012, Rosberg lead 108 laps and scored 7 podiums, including a pole position and a win in China, with cars that always finished between 4th and 8th in the WCC (in other words, midfield cars).

    You know what his teammates (inc. Schumacher) achieved with the exact same cars during the same period of time? Absolutely nothing.

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    @xtwl

    Let’s turn this around, if he wins the 2016 title because Lewis suffers unbelievable reliability alongside another on-off relation with Paris Hilton, is he a worthy champion? Would you reckon he deserves to be a one time Formula One champion?

    If Raikkonen, Button, Villeneuve and Hill deserve to be a 1 time World Champion, then there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Rosberg deserves to be World Champion. What do the former 4 drivers have which Rosberg doesn’t? I will go on a limb and say that Rosberg is probably faster than all of them, but not as lucky with the circumstances he finds himself in. As soon as he has the car to become WDC, he has Hamilton as his teammate.

    @matthijs

    I think eventually he will be ranked amongst Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Felipe Massa, David Coulthard. Close to becoming world champion but not quite.

    As someone who has seen both Rosberg and Irvine drive, you cannot possibly be serious when you put Irvine and Rosberg in the same tier. Rosberg, IMO, is faster and more consistent than Barrichello, Massa, and Coulthard; and exponentially better than Irvine.

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    If overtakes on restarts are too easy, then why didn’t Hamilton overtake anyone at the restart in Korea 2010? In fact, he lost position on both of the restarts.

    Korea 2010 counts, no doubt whatsoever. India 2013 should also count, IMO, since Hamilton could have defended the inside line to keep Rosberg behind, but didn’t. Korea 2013 also counts, even though his front wing collapsed and he had to pit the following lap.

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    @sato113
    The field was pretty spread out on the SC restart at Korea 2010. I definitely think that one should count. I also don’t see a reason to why the overtake has to be in the dry. If anything, overtakes in the wet are more difficult because of the spray.

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    Sorry for the absolutely awful quality. From 0:30 to 0:54 of this video, you can see Rosberg overtaking Hamilton into Turn 4:

    This was on the opening lap, Rosberg overtook Hamilton after Lewis initially jumped him at the start. They were fighting for 2nd and 3rd at the time, behind Vettel. Simultaneously, while Rosberg overtook Hamilton, Massa overtook them both in a 3-wide battle.

    He also overtook him at Turn 3 in Korea. His front wing failed at the same time, but nevertheless he made the move stick.

    He also overtook him as soon as the safety car went in at Korea 2010:

    Jump to 1:30 of that video.

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    Hamilton
    – Japan 2008
    – Monaco 2011
    – Spain 2013
    – Hungary 2015

    Vettel
    – Belgium 2010
    – Nurburgring 2011
    – Belgium 2014
    – Mexico 2015

    Alonso
    – Canada 2007
    – Japan 2007
    – Belgium 2010
    – Monaco 2013

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    Rosberg overtook Hamilton on track at both India 2013 and Korea 2013. In Korea, his front wing collapsed as soon as he made the pass though.

    Korea 2010 is another one, what made that overtake even more impressive is that it was done with an inferior car.

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    RATE THEIR CARS

    – Vettel drove a dominant car in 2011 and 2013.
    – Vettel drove the outright best car in 2010 and 2012.
    – Vettel drove a car slightly inferior to the best in 2009.
    – Vettel drove a capable race winner but not WDC contender in 2014 and 2015.
    – Vettel drove a midfield car in 2008.

    – Hamilton drove and dominant car in 2014 and thus far 2015.
    – Hamilton drove the equal best car in 2007 and 2008.
    – Hamilton drove a slightly inferior to the best car in 2010 and 2012.
    – Hamilton drove a capable race winner but not WDC contender in 2009, 2011 & 2013.

    I didn’t include Vettel’s 2007 because he drove for 2 different teams, and less than half (8/17) of the season.

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    In more recent times, Kimi Raikkonen was 2.6 wins (26 points) behind Lewis Hamilton after the US Grand Prix in 2007, that is equal to about 65 points in today’s points system. He was able to overhaul it into a WDC by 1 point at the end of the season.

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