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  • #303827
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    @hunocsi Yes it’s strange. In the past several drivers were penalised for overtakes like this.
    But since virtually all drivers were going off track at Raidillon and Stavelot every lap, I reckon the stewards must have announced it legal beforehand, as long as you stayed on the kerbs I suppose.

    #303733
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    Did anyone notice Verstappen’s overtake on Alonso? Again at Blanchimont but then on the inside.

    Two overtakes in Blanchimont in 1 race: the way Verstappen makes F1 look like a Playstation game amuses me and frightens me at the same time.

    For this poll I go for Verstappen on Nasr, even when he failed to respect the track limits.

    #303170
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    @pt

    But most people object this as it would interfere with tradition. Well, to them I say we don’t live in the past but the present.

    I am sorry, but I don’t think it’s fair to say this, actually you sound a bit smug. I don’t have a problem with suggestions that interfere with tradition. For instance, I like the current qualifying setup better than the one 15 years ago. The reason I am not a fan of your suggestion is that I think it is confusing, artificial and unnescessary.

    And second to that: I rather have the focus on challenging and exciting overtakings (or attempts) rather than counting the number of overtakes.

    Not every driver is a Senna!

    Are you suggesting that F1 drivers settle for say 12th position when they also can overtake for 11th?

    Don’t get me wrong, I think that we agree on many points on this subject. It’s just the solutions that we have a different opinion on.

    #303163
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    @pt We can’t be sure beacuse we cannot prove it. But I think that all F1 drivers have a competitive nature and want to finish as high as possible. Even for those drivers that are not in the position to score points. And overtaking can be lucrative too: we have seen in previous seasons that even scoring a 12th or a 13th place can contribute to more prize money at the end of the season. So, when the opportunity is there to overtake, the drivers will have a go. So there are the incentives: points, money and competition. To me that is enough. Adding more incentives (points per overtake) just makes it too artificial for me.

    #303137
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    @pt you are suggesting that trying to finish at the highest place possible is not enough incentive to overtake, but I disagree.

    #303115
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    With the current points system it’s more difficult for the championship leader to build up a points gap, but it also means that it’s more difficult to play catch up for all the others. So it’s not a unfair system per se.

    #303099
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    @pt You are looking for an incentive to increase overtaking. But there already is an incentive to overtake, namely more points at the finish (because you finished higher).

    I am sorry if this is already posted (must be, it’s so obvious).

    #303053
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    Some people might dispute this, but the 96 Ferrari was a bad car.

    Schumacher won 3 times in it, 1st time was in the rain where he was lapping up to 4 secs a lap faster than anyone else in the conditions

    Schumacher was fenomenal in wet conditions, but if you are lapping up to 4 secs a lap faster than anyone else, than you are clearly not driving a bad car. At least not bad for the (wet) conditions.

    Some say that rain is the great equalizer but it isn’t really. Setup and quality of the car is still very important. It’s just that some cars and some drivers are faster in wet than they are in dry so everything gets mixed up, but that doesn’t make the situation ‘equal’.

    Same goes for Vettel in Monza 2008. Sure it was a (really) great achievement, but also his teammate Bourdais was very fast (4th on the grid). It’s a shame that his car broke down, or STR might achieved a 1-2 finish.

    #303041
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    1971 Italian GP: Pether Gethin wins in ‘photo finish’. Apart from this win, he would only score 2 points throughout his F1-career.

    #303023
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    I already read some very nice underdog achievements, just want to add: Damon Hill Hungary 1997, Fisichella Brazil 2003, Ivan Capelli France 1990,

    #299955
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    @strontium

    George1066 starts with “Now here it is again Mercedes ruining F1 by not leting
    their drivers race against each other.” I immediately started thinking about Bahrain 2014 where the two Mercedes drivers put up quite a fight. And that’s not the only race they fought hard. Furthermore, even in the Canadian GP Rosbarg was allowed to attack Hamilton. This was broadcasted over the radio: “You’ve done a really good job with brakes, there. We want you to continue like that for the moment, it will give us margin to attack (Hamilton)”. Lap 46, Tony Ross to Nico Rosberg.

    So I could have chosen my words differently but I don’t think I say that much wrong. I feel that Georges rant is unjust.

    #299834
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    I guess you didn’t watch the 2014 Bahrain GP then.

    #299830
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    @estesark I agree with practically everything you said, apart from the reason to cheer for him because he’s Finnish (I’m not Finnish). He’s my all-time favourite too, next to my fellow countrymen Jos and Max!

    #299431
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    @vmaxmuffin tells a big part of the story, but I also think it comes down to what we call in Dutch the ‘harmonica effect’. No idea if it’s correct English though, but this is the basics: if you are right on someones tail, you cannot use your normal braking point. Even if Grosjean had the exact same braking point as Verstappen had, Grosjean always braked a fraction earlier in time (because he reached the braking point earlier than Verstappen), so the one behind (Verstappen) always has to brake a bit earlier than normal in order not to touch the one in front (Grosjean). I’m not so arrogant to think that I know this and Verstappen doesn’t. I just guess that Verstappen has underestimated how much sooner you have to brake when the speed is so much higher than he is used to.

    So: both are probably telling the truth but the combination of this harmonica effect and the effect of fresher tyres causes the crash. My view.

    #299234
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    Yes it was that bad, it was ridiculous. Drivers braking too late, drivers not giving each other room. It’s like indoor karting with rookies.

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