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  • #243722
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    Good that his team has stood him down as punishment, he should be serving a multi-race ban for driving like that though. FIA being its usual ineffective self again.

    #241899
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    Bathurst f***ing delivers again.

    #240476
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    How good he’ll actually be, I don’t know. We’ll get an idea how serious he is about the enterprise when we see how tightly his overalls fit next spring.

    I would hope he sheds 20 kg and does become a front runner if it happens.

    Unlike F1, Indycar has instituted a weight equivalence system since last year. http://tinyurl.com/l25tggv

    Good news even if I’ll only be checking in on the non-oval circuit races.

    #241716
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    Particularly interested to hear what you all think about Webber’s decline. What changed between 2010 and 2011?

    Pirelli tires, car design focusing around Vettel, FIA imposing a mandatory weight distribution range for the cars.

    Vettel would still have the edge on most circuits though and became far more consistent from 2011 onwards.

    #240888
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    90′s Schumacher was amazing.

    13 more DNF’s, drove against Newey cars for the entire period measured, with only ’94 for parity/better car, less points finishes, yet still more points(adjusted) and podiums.

    If only he’d had Hakkinen as a teammate. . . .

    #239486
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    9 – Vettel, very consistent with only a few mistakes in the season.

    8.5 – Hamilton, mistake in monaco aside, an very good season.

    8 – Raikkonen, seems to still be missing a bit of qualifying pace, needing TO twice in the last 3 races.
    Super consistent otherwise.

    8 – Alonso, mistakes by him/ferrari in malaysia and bahrain have cost him critical points in the
    championship.

    8 – Rosberg, doing well against Hamilton, would be closer without car issues.

    7.5 – Webber, horrid run of luck for most of the season with minor-medium issues in several races
    costing him significant points.

    7 – Bianchi, don’t rate his teammate which costs him a 1/2 point.

    5 – Button, Sutil, Di Resta, Hulkenberg, Vergne, Riccardo, Bottas, Maldonado. – Doing what is possible
    with their cars.
    4 – Perez, Grosjean, Massa. – Have made mistakes or take bad risks in races.

    3 – Gutierrez, Chilton, Pic, Van de Garde. Non-existent for the most part.

    #228388
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    Team orders this early in the season make no sense, especially when you are trying to gift your number two driver a win, at the expense of your defending triple world champ.

    It was not just team orders though. It was an agreement between both drivers prior to the race that whoever led at the final pit stop would have the race win.

    A pity, as had the agreement not been in place Webber would have had priority on the final pit stop, leaving Vettel 4.7-6.1 seconds behind based on the last two pit stops and having to chase with the 0.6s/lap tyre advantage over the closing laps, giving the fans a potential repeat of Canada 2011.

    In doing that he exhausted his fuel tank and ended up in compromised position.

    He had not exhausted his fuel supply, he was on a slightly leaner fuel mix compared to Vettel.

    Horner – “Mark’s had been slightly higher than Sebastian’s so he was in a slightly more fuel saving mode than Sebastian”.

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    Australia, Schumacher doesn’t retire, Vettel and Webber get past, Alonso doesn’t. Safety car doesn’t cost Hamilton 2nd from Vettel.

    Hamilton – 18
    Vettel – 15
    Webber – 12
    Alonso – 8

    Malaysia, Webber isn’t held in the pits and retains 4th ahead of Vettel, who avoids Karthikeyan while lapping him.

    Hamilton – +15, 33
    Vettel – +10, 25
    Webber – +12, 24
    Alonso – +25, 33

    China, Schumacher wheel is attached properly and he finishes third. No gearbox penalty for
    Hamilton who finishes second.
    Hamilton p3, Vettel p6, Webber p5, Alonso p10.

    Hamilton – +18, 51
    Vettel – + 8, 33
    Webber – +10, 34
    Alonso – +1, 34

    Bahrain, Lewis doesn’t have those pitstops, finishes fifth.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p1, Webber p4, Alonso p8.

    Hamilton – +10, 61
    Vettel – +25, 58
    Webber – +12, 46
    Alonso – +4, 38.

    Spain, no front wing issue in the race for Webber and Vettel.
    Mclaren fuel Hamiltons car properly and he takes pole and win.

    Hamilton p1, Vettel p7, Webber p8, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +25, 86
    Vettel – +6, 64
    Webber – +4, 50
    Alonso – +15, 53

    Monaco, no changes.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p4, Webber p1, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +10, 96
    Vettel – +12, 76
    Webber – +25, 75
    Alonso – +15, 68

    Canada, Alonso and Vettel pit in response to Hamiltons last stop, Webber doesn’t have gearshift issue in first stint.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p3, Webber p4, Alonso p2.

    Hamilton – +25, 121
    Vettel – +15, 91
    Webber – +12, 87
    Alonso – +18, 86

    European, with no technical issues in qualifying or race a RB one-two. Hamilton overtaken by Maldonado and Schumacher at end as tyres go off, no car failure for Grosjean.
    Hamilton p7, Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3.

    Hamilton – +6, 127
    Vettel – +25, 116
    Webber – +18, 105
    Alonso – +15, 101

    Britain, no changes.
    Hamilton p8, Vettel p3, Webber p1, Alonso p2.

    Hamilton – +4, 131
    Vettel – +15, 131
    Webber – +25, 130
    Alonso – +18, 119

    Germany, no gearbox penalty for Webber, finishes 4th, no puncture for Hamilton, finishes 5th , Vettel finishes 6th after penalty for overtaking off track.
    Hamilton p5, Vettel p6, Web3er p4, Alonso p1.

    Hamilton – +10, 141
    Vettel – +8, 139
    Webber – +12, 142
    Alonso – +25, 144

    Hungary, Webber does not have differential issue and finishes fifth.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p4, Webber p5, Alonso p6.

    Hamilton – +25, 166
    Vettel – +12, 151
    Webber – +10, 152
    Alonso – +8, 152

    Belgium – not counted due to Grosjean incident making it impossible to evaluate possible finishing positions.

    Italy, No Q3 issues for Alonso so he takes pole and win, Button finishes race in third, Vettel has no alternator failure and finishes 7th.
    Alonso p1, Hamilton p2, Vettel p7, Webber DNF.

    Hamilton – +18, 184
    Vettel – +6, 157
    Webber – 0, 152
    Alonso – +25, 177

    Singapore, No breakdowns for Hamilton and Maldonado, no second safety car ruining Webbers race strategy.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p2, Alonso p4, Webber p7.

    Hamilton – +25, 209
    Vettel – +18, 175
    Webber – +6, 158
    Alonso – +12, 189

    Japan, Webber not Grosjeaned.
    Hamilton p6, Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso DNF.

    Hamilton – +8, 217
    Vettel – +25, 200
    Webber – +18, 176
    Alonso – 0, 189

    Korea, Hamilton doesn’t have rear roll bar failure, finishes 4th.
    Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3, Hamilton p4.

    Hamilton – +12, 229
    Vettel – +25, 225
    Webber – +18, 194
    Alonso – +15, 204

    India, no KERS failure for Webber in race.
    Vettel p1, Webber p2, Alonso p3, Hamilton p4.

    Hamilton – +12, 241
    Vettel – +25, 250
    Webber – +18, 212
    Alonso – +15, 219

    Abu Dhabi, 1L of fuel found in Vettels car. Starts from third and finishes second.
    Hamilton p1, Alonso p4, Vettel p2, Webber p10.

    Hamilton – +25, 266
    Vettel – +18, 268
    Webber – +1, 213
    Alonso +15, 234

    America, Webber finished.
    Hamilton p1, Vettel p2, Webber p3, Alonso p4.

    Hamilton – +25, 291
    Vettel – +18, 286
    Webber – +15, 228
    Alonso +12, 246

    Brazil, no crash between Hulk and Hamilton.
    Hamilton p2, Alonso p4, Webber p6, Vettel p7.

    Hamilton – +18, 309
    Vettel – +6, 292
    Webber – +8, 236
    Alonso +12, 258

    Actual vs Corrected, difference.

    Hamilton 190/309, -119.
    Vettel 281/292, -11.
    Webber 179/236, -57.
    Alonso 278/258, +20.

    #216676
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    24 – Narain Karthikeyan. Did nothing other than trundle around at the back of the grid all year, solidly outperformed by his teammate.
    First half 4/10, second half 4/10.

    23 – Bruno Senna. Massively underperformed in qualifying in relation to Maldonado throughout the year.
    First half 4/10, second half 4/10.

    22 – Charles Pic. Invisible in 2012.
    First half 5/10, second half 5/10.

    21 – Timo Glock. Beat his teammate, almost got Marussia the p10 spot in constructors.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    20 – Jean-Eric Vergne. Beaten 14/5 in qualifying by Ricciardo though he finished ahead in points.
    Pretty invisible in races. 5/10 first half, 5/10 second half.

    19 – Romain Grosjean. Far too many incidents throughout the season, has raw pace as demonstrated by
    matching or exceeding Raikkonen in qualifying but far too ambitious in wheel to wheel racing.
    7/10 first half, 2/10 second half.

    18 – Pastor Maldonado. Destroyed his teammate in qualifying but threw away solid points finishes in
    Australia and Europe. Should have scored much more than he did throughout the season.
    6/10 first half, 5/10 second half.

    17 – Pedro de la Rosa. Convincingly beat his teammate in a car not capable of doing anything other
    than taking up the last two slots on the grid. Beat the Marussia’s a few times in qualifying
    as well.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    16 – Vitaly Petrov. Suprised to see him so close to Kovalinen as the year progressed, got his team p10
    in the constructors, would probably have outscored Grosjeans tally if Lotus had kept him.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    15 – Heikki Kovalainen. Beat teammate in qualifying and made Q2 a couple of times.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    14 – Daniel Ricciardo. Beat teammate in qualifying, car didn’t allow him to do much in races.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    13 – Felipe Massa. A strong second half of the season, but nowhere in the first half. Hopefully his
    current pace marks a full time return to his pre-accident form.
    First half 3/10, second half 7/10.

    12 – Paul Di Resta. Outshone by teammate over season, appears to be a solid driver but has not
    displayed any outstanding pace over the season.
    First half 5/10, second half 5/10.

    11 – Kamui Kobayashi. Put the Sauber at the sharp end of the grid in China, Belgium and Japan but only
    finished there once. Underperformed over the season and should have beaten Perez.
    First half 6/10, second half 6/10.

    10 – Nico Hulkenberg. Would of been much higher if he hadn’t crashed into Hamilton and thrown away a
    chance for the victory of the season. Outscored Di Resta by 17 points in the 8th best car.
    First half 5/10, second half 7/10.

    9 – Michael Schumacher. Sad to see so many failures on his car when it was good, very unfortunate
    throughout the season. Some silly mistakes in Spain, Hungary and Singapore so hardly flawless.
    First half 7/10, second half 5/10.

    8 – Nico Rosberg. Scored most of the points his car was capable of when the Mercedes was reasonably
    good in the first 7 races of the season.
    First half 7/10, second half 5/10.

    7 – Sergio Perez. Benefited from alternate strategies, but underperformed the cars potential.
    First half 7/10, second half 5/10.

    6 – Jenson Button. MIA from Bahrain to Great Britain, hammered by Hamilton in qualifying and is
    fortunate that most of the bad luck/incompetence throughout the season by Mclaren fell on the
    other side of the garage. Still won three races though, and Mclaren presumably won’t stuff up
    this badly for a few years again.
    First half 5/10, second half 7/10.

    5 – Mark Webber. After a solid season up to the British GP, had almost everything go wrong for him
    on-track. However the return of his poor starts and a shocker in Abu-Dhabi as well as poor
    races in Italy and Singapore were his fault.
    First half 8/10, second half 6/10.

    4 – Kimi Raikkonen. Excellent return to F1, did not max out the car in qualifying but had excellent
    race pace and stayed out of trouble. If given a car capable of winning a championship next year
    I would back him to deliver.
    First half 8/10, second half 8/10.

    3 – Sebastian Vettel. Had some luck throughout the season but delivered when it mattered in the
    second half and was backed up well by his team( take notes Mclaren ). Still required the car to
    be tailored towards his driving style but delivered when he had the car in the second half of
    the season.
    First half 8/10, second half 9/10.

    2 – Fernando Alonso. Dropped slightly from his superb first half season form in the last races of
    2012, in the end the only significant mistake of his season in Suzuka probably cost him
    the championship.
    9/10 first half, 8/10 second half.

    1 – Lewis Hamilton. Has been the best over the full 2012 season. Won the season on my adjusted
    rankings for good/bad luck. Hammered Button in qualifying and races and should have finished
    ahead by over a hundred points instead of two.
    9/10 first half, 9/10 second half.

    #214752
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    Schumacher’s retirement announcement.

    Mclaren letting down Hamilton in several races in addition to the other misfortune he’s had throughout the year, depriving the fans of a three way fight for the title in the last two races.

    #214687
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    Schumacher’s Monaco pole lap, completely unexpected.

    The unpredictability of the first half of the season, and Alonso’s performance throughout that half, his win in the German grand prix a fantastic example of knowing where he had to be fast on the circuit to prevent an overtaking opportunity from the faster cars Vettel and Button had.

    Kobayashi’s first podium(hopefully not his last).

    #206544
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    Adjusted score for Germany, cheers Matt.

    King, I can’t see Alonso winning the Canadian GP. James Allen’s strategy analysis indicates he would have been alongside Hamilton at best if he pitted in response and could have been passed in the DRS zone as he was the first time.

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/06/how-the-canadian-grand-prix-got-away-from-alonso-and-vettel/

    Alonso’s interview after the race indicated he and the team didn’t think they could win the race on the pace of the F2012.

    “Today we tried to win the race, but the gamble of only making a single stop did not pay off. When Hamilton came back into the pits for his second stop, we chose to try and play our hand: now it’s easy to say that we should have made that choice too, but it would have meant we had tried nothing and we could also have lost position to Vettel.”

    http://en.espnf1.com/canada/motorsport/story/81164.html

    Adrian, will add 3 to Hamiltons China race as I feel the Mercedes were the fastest cars on the day.

    #206541
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    For the top 4.

    Australia, Schumacher doesn’t retire, Vettel and Webber get past, Alonso doesn’t.

    Hamilton – 15
    Vettel – 18
    Webber – 12
    Alonso – 8

    Malaysia, Webber isn’t held in the pits and retains 4th ahead of Vettel, who avoids cucumber.

    Hamilton – +15, 30
    Vettel – +10, 28
    Webber – +12, 24
    Alonso – +25, 33

    China, Schumacher wheel is attached properly and he finishes second.

    Hamilton – +15, 45
    Vettel – + 8, 36
    Webber – +10, 34
    Alonso – +1, 34

    Bahrain, Lewis doesn’t have those pitstops, finishes fifth.

    Hamilton – +10, 55
    Vettel – +25, 61
    Webber – +12, 46
    Alonso – +4, 38.

    Spain, Webber is sent out for another run in Q2, makes it, finishes fifth in race. Mclaren fuel Hamiltons car properly and he takes pole and win.

    Hamilton – +25, 80
    Vettel – +4, 65
    Webber – +10, 56
    Alonso – +15, 53

    Monaco, no changes.

    Hamilton – +10, 90
    Vettel – +12, 77
    Webber – +25, 81
    Alonso – +15, 68

    Canada, Alonso and Vettel pit in response to Hamiltons last stop, Webber doesn’t have gearshift issue in first stint.

    Hamilton – +25, 115
    Vettel – +15, 92
    Webber – +12, 93
    Alonso – +18, 86

    Valencia, with no technical issues a RB one-two on grid and in race. Hamilton overtaken by Maldonado and Schumacher at end as tyres go off, no car failure for Grosjean.

    Hamilton – +6, 121
    Vettel – +25, 117
    Webber – +18, 121
    Alonso – +15, 101

    Britain, no changes.

    Hamilton – +4, 125
    Vettel – +15, 132
    Webber – +25, 146
    Alonso – +18, 119

    Germany, no gearbox penalty for Webber, finishes fourth, no puncture for Hamilton, finishes fifth, Vettel told by Horner to give place back to Button and finishes third.

    Hamilton – +10, 135
    Vettel – +15, 147
    Webber – +12, 158
    Alonso – +25, 143

    Hungary, Webber does not have differential issue and finishes fifth.

    Hamilton – +25, 160
    Vettel – +12, 159
    Webber – +10, 168
    Alonso – +8, 151

    NB. Removing speculated result for Webber in Spain and not giving Vettel +5 for Germany.

    //Edit1 – Vettel -7 for being dropped down to 6th in Germany, classifying potential result as Alonso->Button->Webber->Hamilton->Raikkonen->Vettel.

    //Edit2 – Hamilton +3 with gearbox penalty in China removed and finishing position adjusted to third.

    Hamilton – 162
    Vettel – 152
    Webber – 161
    Alonso – 151

    Alonso’s season looks even better, to be within 11 points of the lead with the championship adjusted like this.

    Don’t support him, but if he wins this season I’ll boot Senna out of my all time top 5 for him :p .

    All IMO of course. //Webber/Schu fan for any forthcoming accusations of bias ;) .

    I wouldn’t rate Vettel any differently than I do now, which is bloody fast but not top level yet in racecraft
    ( not far off though ).

    #206450
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    1 – Alonso, Hamilton. Both getting maximum out of their cars, Hamilton being let down by his team.

    3 – Webber, Vettel. Neither really performing at the same tracks as each other, which has cost them potential 1-2′s. A bit ridiculous that the usual RB reliability issues and several strategy blunders have cost Vettel 30 and Webber potentially 36 points so far.

    5 – Raikkonen. Would be higher if he wasn’t getting out-qualified by his teammate and had better first laps.

    6 – Button.

    7 – Perez.

    8 – Grosjean.

    9 – Rosberg.

    10 – Schumacher.

    11 – Kobayashi.

    12 – Di Resta.

    13 – Hulkenberg.

    14 – Kovalainen.

    15 – Riccardo.

    16 – Maldonado.

    17 – Senna

    18 – Vergne

    19 – Petrov

    20 – Massa.

    21 – Glock. Beating his teammate.

    22 – De La Rosa.

    23 – Pic.

    24 – Karthikeyan. Off the pace of his teammate and anonymous in races except when being lapped.

    #184284
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    http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/Mark-Webber-interview-after-Qualifying-Japanese-Grand-Prix-021243098960854

    Got it wrong, he says he pushed the drs button early out of the hairpin on the run down to spoon so it didn’t activate, which doesn’t make sense unless RB have added some sort of system to avoid something like Sutils spin in Melbourne?

    He lost 6 tenths in comparison to Vettel in the second sector and was even 3 tenths slower than Alonso who was fifth.

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