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20th May 2016, 23:06 at 11:06 pm #320435
@blockwall2: Christijan Albers received a penalty for colliding with team-mate Tiago Monteiro (causing Monteiro to lose his front wing) in Monaco 2006.
One other team-mate I remember from a few years ago was in a touring car (or something similar) race where 2 team-mates collided whilst running 1-2 at the very final corner, taking both out!
And one that I am surprised nobody has mentioned: Senna and Prost in Japan 1989 (although I’m not sure team *mates* is entirely appropriate).17th May 2016, 22:37 at 10:37 pm #320262
Mark Webber and Christian Klien in Brazil 2004 (the last race for Jaguar under that name). Webber (who caused the crash) was eliminated, Klien had to pit but was able to continue.3rd April 2016, 23:24 at 11:24 pm #316912
Ricciardo took part in Italy 2011 (he was an unclassified finisher).
Arguably if Vettel ‘missed’ France-Britain-Europe 2007, then Magnussen ‘missed’ all of 2015, and Alonso, Raikkonen, and Massa all ‘missed’ entire seasons.
Noticing that Rosberg has started every race since the start of 2006 (over 10 years), I wondered if this is a record. The following drivers all failed to have a 10+ year streak:
Mansell: missed races in 1987 and 1989.
Alesi: missed a couple of races in 1994.
Piquet: DNQ in 1982 and 1989, DNS in 1987.
Berger: missed a race in 1989.
Webber, Trulli & Fisichella: DNS in Indy 2005.
Alonso: DNS in Indy 2005 and Australia 2015.
Button: DNS in Indy 2005 and Bahrain 2015.
M Schumacher: missed several races in 1999.
Barrichello: 2 DNSs in 2002.
Alain Prost just manages it, with DNSs in USA East 1980 and San Marino 1991, starting every race in between. Obviously his 10-year span contained fewer races than Rosberg.
David Coulthard also just managed it, from Brazil 1995 to Canada 2005.
Riccardo Patrese also managed it, from Belgium 1982 to the end of 1993 (over 11 years).3rd April 2016, 12:30 at 12:30 pm #316769
Massa was not suspended for USA 2002 – he was given a 10-place grid penalty for the race due to an incident in the previous race (which unlike such penalties today was to apply at *the* next race rather than *his* next race), so the team decided to replace him with Heinz-Harald Frentzen.23rd August 2015, 10:44 at 10:44 am #303597
Raikkonen retired from the lead in both San Marino 2005 and Germany 2005 (as well as the already-mentioned Europe 2005), with Alonso taking the win on both occasions.
Raikkonen himself also inherited a win in Canada 2005 after Fisichella broke down, Alonso hit the wall, and Montoya was black-flagged.
Alonso also inherited Bahrain 2010 when Vettel’s car developed a problem (although Vettel did not retire).28th July 2015, 22:28 at 10:28 pm #302641
@enigma USA 2012 was the first time Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton shared a podium.6th June 2015, 22:25 at 10:25 pm #299640
di Grassi did manage one thing of note – crashing on his way to the grid in Suzuka.3rd June 2015, 22:36 at 10:36 pm #299360
Jacques Villeneuve in 1997
Michael Schumacher, Damon Hill,Jacques Villeneuve and Ricardo Zonta in 1999 (this is where the name came from)
Jenson Button in 2005
Kamui Kobayashi in 2010
Sebastian Vettel in 2011 (practice)15th March 2015, 21:35 at 9:35 pm #294520
Another thing that was lacking in the new graphics was the indication as to which drivers had crossed the start/finish line after the end of each part of qualifying – previously there would be a chequered-flag icon by the driver’s name.21st February 2015, 21:54 at 9:54 pm #292633
1959 British GP saw Brian Naylor, Henry Taylor, and Mike Taylor qualify for the race, and Trevor Taylor and Dennis Taylor both fail to qualify.10th February 2015, 22:29 at 10:29 pm #291989
IMO the main problem is not that the cars are different, but that the drivers (with the odd exception) drive for the same team throughout the season. This makes it very difficult to ascertain who the best drivers actually are (e.g. how much has Alonso been held back by Ferrari, how much did Ricciardo improve from 2013 to 2014?). Obviously there is the team-mate comparison, but this is of limited use given that a driver only has 1 team-mate, and a driver’s performance relative to their team-mate is determined as much by the team-mate as by the driver. Also, some teams give one driver preferential treatment, and others often use different race strategies for their drivers.
The best solution (which has been suggested in various forms before, possibly by me!) would involve something like the following:
20 cars (10 teams of 2)
Each driver competes in all bar one race, driving a different car in each race (with mid-season development being banned), with a different team-mate in each race (although this isn’t really necessary), everything being drawn at random. Obviously there are some issues with this, such as:
1. Deciding which drivers should compete – perhaps a promotion/relegation system with a series such as GP2?
2. Making it possible for viewers to identify both the driver and team – possibly using split liveries.
3. What happens if a driver is unable to compete in one or more races? Should a replacement driver (if there is one) be allowed to score Drivers’ Championship points?
Obviously there is a big ‘lottery’ effect here, but it does mean that if one driver runs away with the title, then it is (barring an extraordinary amount of luck) because he is the best driver, and similarly for the teams.13th November 2014, 22:22 at 10:22 pm #285533
Surely the best thing is not to wait until the lapped cars have caught the rest of the field up, just bring the safety car in at the end of the lap on which the lapped cars are released.3rd June 2014, 22:23 at 10:23 pm #262237
M Schumacher in Canada 1998 won despite a stop-go penalty for taking Frentzen out of the race.
Raikkonen in Japan 2005 had an engine change, although he was bizarrely not moved back on the grid as he qualified 17th ahead only of 3 drivers who did not set a time, and he was allowed to start ahead of them.29th December 2013, 21:28 at 9:28 pm #247662
Don’t have many vivid memories before 2003:
2003: Brazil (missed Britain that year) (real WTF? race)
2004: Monaco (some crazy moments here)
2005: Japan (San Marino and Europe were both edge-of-seat thrillers as well)
2006: Hungary (Button winning from 14th)
2007: Europe (Markus Winkelhock etc)
2008: Brazil (edge-of-seat stuff!)
2009: Australia (backmarkers to 1-2 without changing a driver)
2010: Canada (some genuine passing for the lead)
2011: Canada (coming down to the final lap after 4+ hours)
2012: Brazil (had everything!)
2013: Monaco (a few crazy moments!)25th November 2013, 22:36 at 10:36 pm #245804
Here’s a few suggestions:
1. Only allow DRS to be used when the car is being affected by turbulent air from the car in front (i.e. the flap shuts as soon as the car is alongside the car in front) – this is really what the purpose of DRS is.
2. Possibly bring back single-lap qualifying – fewer tyres will be used, the top-10-start-on-same tyres rule can be abolished, and the smaller teams will get more exposure. Also, it will be low-fuel, unlike when we had it 2003-05. The running order could be determined by the finishing order in P3.
3. Enforce a budget cap, or alternatively decree that the amount that a team spends in excess of a certain limit is then deducted from their prize money (e.g. if the cap was £40m and the prize for finishing 1st in the Constructors’ Championship was £100m, then if the team spent £40m or less, they would receive £100m at the end of the season, but if they spent £50m, they would only receive £90m).
4. Don’t red-flag qualifying sessions or races just because it is raining, but perhaps stop the session if no drivers are going out onto the track. If this is not possible, adjust the tyres such that only one type of wet tyre is needed.
5. Something that would be a radical overhaul of F1 – have 20 races, 20 drivers, and 20 cars (10 teams with 2 cars each). Each driver drives each car in one race. This way, the Drivers’ Championship will give a measure of who is the best driver, and the Constructors’ Championship will give a measure of who is the best constructor. Obviously, there will be issues with this (such as the need for the livery of a car to be able to identify both the driver and the team).