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18th December 2014, 14:24 at 2:24 pm #28922317th December 2014, 18:43 at 6:43 pm #289200
5.78km, 18 corners, clock-wise.
Start finish line is about halfway down the straight.
T1 is a bit different this time, with it being a high speed, almost flat but not quite with cold tyres. It is very open and should allow cars to follow reasonably well. T2 follows after a 700m straight. T2 is a sharp, but still relatively shallow angled corner which should be interesting to see the cars go trough. It should be slow enough for cars to pass yet fast enough to be good to watch them through. After that, there is then a short run to T3, a long open corner, getting less angled as you go around it. It should be near to flat out at the speeds the cars would be at. T4 follows after a 400m straight. T4 is quite an open hairpin, tricky to get right but should be good for overtaking based on the previous corners.
There is then a short run to T5, a corner which would be tricky to get right, and then follows T6, an open sweep to the right which should be flat out, at least it would be if not for the next corner, which is the first left hander of the circuit. The cars would be forced to slow down and not take it flat so that they can get T7 correct. Because of the way the two corners are, it should lead to overtaking as someone that wants to overtake can take T6 flat, therefore faster than the car ahead and could stick it down the inside. T7 is the first non-right handed corner on the circuit, done deliberately to make this part even more tricky. T8 follows out of T7, which should be flat out, but given that the right side tyres would be relatively cool, it might be tricky. There is then a 300m straight to T9, a sweep to the left which should be flat out, with tyres being at a better temp now, but still tricky. T10 comes next. This would be one of those corners that is quite difficult to make it exactly right, with it being close to flat but not quite flat. There is then about a 300m straight down to T11, a right hander which is tight enough to slow the cars down for an overtaking place, but open enough to make the cars twitch. Then follows T12, which would be a flat out left sweeper with a slight kink in the middle.
There is then a run down to T13 with about a 400m straight. T13 is going to be very interesting. It would be on the limit of adhesion for the tyres to hold on. The entry wouldn’t quite be flat but I’d imagine it’d be quite close. The exit however would be similar to Parabolica at Monza, but with a wider exit, and picking the point to go on throttle should be a challenge. T13 sweeps all the way around and flows onto a straight. From acceleration point to the next corner of T14 it is about 700m. This should make T14 an overtaking opportunity. T14 is quite sharp, but still open. T14 opens to T15. All of this space is on a curve and so getting the power down should be difficult. T15 gets sharper as it continues but only very slightly and should be flat but a little twitchy. There is then a 400m curve/straight (which would count as T16) to T17, a corner which essentially would feel like a sharpening of said curve/straight. I think it would be difficult to get right. The final corner is a not too sharp, slightly open right hand 90 degree corner. Hopefully it should mean that cars can follow better for a chance to get a move done into T1 and definitely into T2.15th December 2014, 0:40 at 12:40 am #289112
@retardedf1sh is the winner with an entry right on the brink of the deadline! Very good. Over to you!10th December 2014, 16:10 at 4:10 pm #288537
2010 I went to Friday practice and they had the 2008 McLaren sitting out and about for people to take pictures of around one of the general admission areas. That’s definitely the closest I’ve been.9th December 2014, 12:09 at 12:09 pm #288467
@toti Thank you!
The new challenge:
So, Korea was randomly added back onto the calender for 2015. Whether it is actually going ahead or not is no known, or even what track will be used. For the sake of this challenge though it will the normal Korean GP circuit we went to. You must redesign this circuit to make it better, using only the current grounds it is in. This is the area you must use: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6494616
-3.5km to 4.5km long or 6km to 7km long.
– At least 1km of the original track must be used.
– Pit-lane must be designed.
– No more than 2 hairpins and no tight 90 degree corners are allowed.
Deadline will be over the weekend at some point, probably towards the end.
Good luck.2nd December 2014, 18:34 at 6:34 pm #287987
5.1km 16 turn clockwise circuit.
T1 starts off as another hairpin, although this one is a little different as it opens up quite nicely on exit. There is then a short run to T2, an open radius and quite fast right hander, which leads directly into T3, a slightly tighter version of T2 but to the left. There is then a short run down to T4 which is a fast flat out sweeper to the left. T5 almost immediately follows and is very similar to T4, another flat out quick sweep, but this one is even shallower.
The T6,7 complex follows after this. T6 is an open radius left hander, very similar to T3 but slightly longer and tighter. This enters directly into T7 A much tighter but still very open right handed corner, which gets gradually more open as you go around it. It would be a struggle to get the line correct through both corners. There is then about a 450m straight to the next corner, T8, a very quick, very open sweeping right handed corner, potentially the biggest stress test of the tyres on the circuit under cornering load. A short 350m burst follows before the next corner of T9. T9 shares features of T1, but it doesn’t open out as much. It should be an overtaking opportunity.
Following this is T10, another open radius right hander which flows into T11 after a tiny straight (enough to get the car sorted out before the next corner). T11 is actually rather long for a corner, and whilst definitely not flat, at the speeds the cars would be doing at this point it should create different lines and allow the drivers to attack it to try to gain time. T12,13 follows after this, a very quick right,left chicane, quite tight but once again like most corners on the track, it is has an open radius and this should make the cars look quite good through there. The next corner is T14, a flat out left hander that leads onto the longest straight, approximately a 1.1km straight, though there is a slight kink (very slight) at around the 890m mark so the straight is still at least 800m even with that. At the end of the straight, there is a slight bend at the end of it, enough to be classified as a corner but not enough for it to stop the drivers going flat out even at the speed they’d be at at the end of the straight. The bend however should make the braking more difficult for the final corner, which would also be an overtaking opportunity. T16 is the final corner, similar to the final corner (or corners) at Bahrain, but again like the rest of the circuit, more smooth with the open radius style corner. The pit straight itself is about 850m.1st December 2014, 11:37 at 11:37 am #287861
@toti Is the winner this time. I always like to see figure of 8’s used in a way that I think would work and this does that. Jeremy’s was also nice as it had a lot of flow to it and Marco’s was also good, though I think if the hairpin before the 1km was more rounded off, and also the twisty part between 5-6km was a little less complex it would work really well.
Over to you @toti28th November 2014, 17:18 at 5:18 pm #287607
I think I’ll only rate the 18 drivers who completed the full season, but I’ll comment on the other four as well at the end
18: Adrian Sutil. I think he has been the worst, or very close to the worst, driver of the season. Probably the driver who did the least note worthy things of the season. Other than his good qualifying for Austin, I don’t remember a single thing he did. Granted the car wouldn’t have helped but still very disappointing.
17: Esteban Gutierrez. Again just another very uninspired season by Gutierrez. The only thing that places him just ahead of Sutil is that Sutil is a ‘veteran’ of the sport. As he was equal in both finishes ahead and qualifying ahead, I think the fact it’s his second year gives him that slight edge.
16: Pastor Maldonado. Ahead of where I put him at half season, but still not exactly great. I just think based on expectations, he has definitely performed ahead of Raikkonen this season as a whole. He hasn’t been good though.
15: Kimi Raikkonen. Easily the biggest disappointment of the season. For a world champion, this season has been utterly disastrous. He may have had his issues with the car, but to be completely embarrassed because of it… He should have got on top of the car more than he did. Sebastian Vettel who struggled with this years regulations was not as bad.
14: Kevin Magnussen. After all the potential that surrounded this guy, he hasn’t really impressed, at least since Australia that is. His first race of the season got me very excited for the rest of the season, getting a 3rd (which later became 2nd) on his first outing, he only went a matched one Lewis Hamilton. I was thinking that we’ve got another talented rookie on our hands, a world beater out of the box. Granted those expectations were definitely too high, however I still think he under performed to more realistic expectations.
13: Daniil Kvyat. Compared to last season when there was a clear stand-out rookie in Valterri Bottas, this year the rookies haven’t been exceptional. At least in the races. Kvyat looks like he’s absolutely got the speed and for me is the best rookie of the season.
12: Sebastian Vettel. Very disappointing. Very similar to Raikkonen’s season with one difference. He didn’t get completely demolished. Vettel, whilst definitely defeated by his team mate, he started to look slightly more comfortable towards the end of the season. Still not fantastic though but I still think he’s been better than all behind him.
11: Romain Grosjean. In the races they both finished in the first half, Grosjean was ahead 3-1 in the races they finished, and scored 8 fantastic points with two brilliant 8th places. His weekend in Spain was definitely a stand out race and I was genuinely surprised he managed a 5th in qualifying. That was special and to hold on to get points was brilliant. In the second half, however, it ended 2-4 in Maldonado’s favour, though at this point it was all really for nothing (other than a 9th for Maldonado which was a very good result). Grosjean I think is, for me, very difficult driver to rate after this season, possibly the hardest. I feel he has definitely performed very well, but given the car, it is too difficult to put him any higher I feel.
10: Sergio Perez. Definitely upped his game in the second half of the season, however overall he definitely wasn’t as good as Hulkenberg. He outscored Hulkenberg at the end 24-19 (assuming that there were no double points), but compared to the rest of the season, he wasn’t great still.
9: Jean Eric Vergne. Now here’s a driver who definitely deserves a seat in Formula One next season. It wont be with Toro Rosso, but I still believe he should be around just based on how competent he is in the races. He reminds me a not quite as good version, but still very good version, of Jenson Button. However, he’s still young and I think still has more to show. Will he ever be a world beater? Unlikely, but will he definitely score good points for a team? Absolutely. If I could, I’d replace Maldonado with Vergne at Lotus.
8: Felipe Massa. Improved a lot in the second half of the season, and it is not like he had a bad first half either. Assuming there were no double points, since Spa he scored the same amount of points as Bottas and had some very good drivers to boot (including his fantastic Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil races). However, there is a reason Bottas scored far more points in the end. Massa was too error prone on a number of occasions and whilst he proved this season he absolutely has speed and was a fantastic resurgence… It’s still not the greatest.
7: Nico Rosberg. I had Rosberg at 4th in the first half, however his second half of the season I found to be relatively poor. At least in the races that is. Spa was simply clumsy from himself, Monza was not good at all, Susuka was not either. Russia was another mistake from himself which ruined his race, and USA was once again another race that showed his race craft and ability is just not up to snuff. Brazil was his only good race in the second half of the season (a very good race), but 1 in 6 (races he completed with no car issues) is just not good enough.
6: Nico Hulkenberg. Now I know that Hulkenberg’s second half to the season was definitely not as good as his first, but I think his first half was so good that he gets to keep his place. He would have been behind Rosberg, but I think Rosberg’s second half was even worse and whilst his first half was better than Hulk’s (I think), his second half was far worse. His race in Abu Dhabi was absolutely fantastic, I think, for me, one of the top 5 drives by any driver of the season. I loved that result. He ended the season 3-4 compared to Perez in the second half, but the times he were ahead I thought were far more impressive.
5: Jenson Button. Easily the most improved driver on the second half. He basically did everything right since Belgium. He’s had one of those seasons that proves that he absolutely deserves to stay. His performances over the season have all been, for the most part, very very good in that Jenson Button way. A lot of the time not so stand out, but good enough. However, he did actually have a couple of stand out races which is why he places above Hulkenberg.
4: Valterri Bottas. I think the top 4 are by far the stand out top 4 of the season. Bottas has been absolutely phenomenal this season, and whilst he second half (like many others) isn’t quite as good as his first, it really isn’t that far off. The points difference to Massa is massive. The points difference given the points available to the team (generally anything from 3rd to 6th on average), the points gap at the end is rather large. And even when Massa had a much better second half than his first, with no double points both of them scored the exact same. So Massa being improved in the second half still only points wise matched Bottas who was slightly down on his first half. I think he’s proved that he is definitely world champion material.
3: Lewis Hamilton. Hamilton stays where I placed him in the first half of the season. The main reason for this is his qualifying performances. His race performances for pretty much the entire season have been phenomenal. Compared to Rosberg, in races where they both finished, Rosberg only won 4 races compared to Hamilton’s 8. In a season where a car had the potential to win every race (other than Canada), Rosberg got 5. I don’t think anyone doubts that Hamilton has comprehensively beaten Rosberg.
2: Daniel Ricciardo. Drops from 1st to 2nd. Not quite as good compared to Vettel as the first half, but he was still certainly better. He doesn’t drop to 3rd (or rather Hamilton doesn’t get promoted to 2nd) because Ricciardo was still further ahead of Vettel than Hamilton was of Rosberg performance wise. And whilst Vettel underperformed and Rosberg was better, it still shows that Ricciardo is another definite world champion contender. Fantastic season.
1: Fernando Alonso. Just, the man is so good. He has completely destroyed Kimi Raikkonen like no driver should be able to. I believe at every single race, if not for 1 or 2, he has performed at the maximum. The car clearly not being very good (behind the Williams and Red Bull and sometimes the McLaren), he still managed to score points in every race that he finished. He put in some fantastic racing performances against cars that should have blasted past. By being better than basically everyone on the grid he was able to benefit from every single time someone made a mistake. You can’t over perform a car, that’s impossible… But he damn near makes me believe it’s possible. I can’t wait to see what he can do in a race winning car again, hopefully he gets that next year. I just can’t see past him where he has a good car, I think he’d win the championship.
Chilton and Ericsson have been terrible.
Koboyashi was better than both of those however he wasn’t exactly spectacular, and I mean against Ericcson it’s hard to know how good he really was. The fact he was able to mingle with Bianchi sometimes in a slower car, I think he did a pretty good job.
And then there’s Bianchi. For me he has been exceptional this season. His points in Monaco was one of those performance that had me shouting with joy as he crossed the line. His move on Koboyashi was just brilliant. The whole weekend was just a happy occasion. He wiped the floor with Chilton, although to a slightly lesser degree than last season. The sad thing is that because his season was so good, I thought he was a shoe-in for a top drive because of it at some point… Forza Jules.27th November 2014, 14:49 at 2:49 pm #287530
I’d love to see scale models of F1 race tracks. They’d probably be expensive as hell but I’d still like to see it.
like the trophy’s idea too, some of the designs are awesome!26th November 2014, 13:26 at 1:26 pm #28735425th November 2014, 16:11 at 4:11 pm #287274
Many thanks! I enjoyed doing that one I’ll be honest. Usually my redesigns of tracks aren’t great but I’d love to see F1 at that track, I think it’d work very well.
As for the next challenge. It is up to you to redesign any oval track in the world to have a new, and fully fit for F1 infield circuit. Now when I say infield, it doesn’t actually have to be actually within the oval (although some of it must be). You can assume that an area of the oval can be demolished to allow the new course to leave and come back in.
4-7km in length.
Must use the original oval for atleast 200m at two different points.
Not really a rule, but try not add really tight areas to the track, try to think of the flow and how fun it’d be to drive. You aren’t forbidden from using them though as the chances are you can come up with something that works.
Also, thanks to @mfreire for giving me an idea for the challenge. It’s been done before but this time it is more open ended.
I guess entries end sometime over the weekend.19th November 2014, 20:57 at 8:57 pm #286129
6.25km 16 corner clockwise circuit.
The run down to T1 would be quite short to make sure the cars don’t start on the curve. Turn 1 is the same hairpin that exists there today, but would be widened a bit for F1’s use. T2 comes after about a 450m straight. T2 is a quick sweeping right hander that would be potentially flat. T3 follows after 200m straight, and is almost the same corner as T2 but this time it is a left hander.
T4 follows relatively soon after a 100m gap and is very similar to T3, potentially a little longer but also a smaller angle too. Still flat. T5 follows, quite an open and long hairpin, but still tight enough for it to be a heavy braking zone. T6 extends from T5 and is a long and sweeping right hander, which hopefully should make it hard to put the power down for cars. A 400m straight follows, and leads down to T7, similar to how the circuit goes now, but is slightly more open and is more of a sweeper. T8 comes next, and is exactly the same as that corner always was. These two together should be fun to watch F1 cars through. T9 comes up shortly after, and relatively tight, but again open radius right hander. T10 comes next, after a 200m straight. T10 is a very long corner, and I imagine would be very difficult to get everything right through there. Watching the drivers tackle it would be fun. T11 follows out of T10, and flings the cars in the other direction, and based on how the corners are together, it should mean you have to compromise the perfect line through one to get the other right.
There is then about a 700m straight down to the infamous final corner of the old circuit. T12 is as it always has been, but resurfaced to standard F1 tarmac (if that’s a thing). T13 follows, exactly the same as the old T1, but again resurfaced. There is then a slight kink in the straight approaching T14, though it wouldn’t be a corner. T14 is relatively tight hairpin, similar in profile to T4 at Bahrain only this time it is a left hander. Following directly after this is T15 a flat out left hander which feeds directly into T16, which is essentially a curved straight. This ends the lap. The pit lane goes under ground at the end.16th November 2014, 12:46 at 12:46 pm #285687
2.3 miles or 3.7km circuit. 11 corners, clockwise.
T1 is like many other tracks I do, a tight hairpin. I like there to be a clear overtaking opportunity for T1, and a hairpin like this can allow for the switch back to happen. T2,3 is a relatively slow chicane complex, a slightly tighter and shorter version of T8,9 at Hungaroring. There is then a short straight down to the sweeping right hander of T4. There is then a medium length straight that runs down to T5, a very quick left handed, half sweeper half kink, which follows quickly on to T6, a very similar corner. Both corners make it look like one long double apex corner, but there is a short straight between the two.
There is then a short straight to T7, another quick sweeping right hander. T8 follows a straight. T8 is quite a nice corner, with it being quite long and open, it should be quite good to watch cars through. T9 follows, a hairpin which is opportune for overtaking. T10,11 follow, a chicane which is quite long, an open first part and a tighter second part, leading back onto the main straight.9th November 2014, 18:30 at 6:30 pm #285168
5.01km clock-wise circuit. 16 corners. Pitlane goes over with a tight bridge, instead of under, just to be different.
T1 is an open corner, potentially not flat, though I don’t really know how tight it would be. I’d like to see it tight enough to not be flat though, or at least hairy if it’s flat. T2 follows, a left hairpin that opens as it goes on, and then leads straight onto T3. T3 is a relatively quick and leads straight into T4, making it a long and relatively fast and sweeping chicane. T5 follows quickly, quite a tight right hander. Exiting T5 is a sweep to the right of T6, flat and basically not a corner.
T7 then comes next, or rather then T7,8,9 complex, similar to Les Combes at Spa, but with a tighter second corner, but a more open first and third corner. i.e T7,9 more open, T8 tighter. There is then a short straight down to T10, which is a long, sweeping a difficult right hander. There is then a smaller straight which leads to T11, a right hander which could be an overtaking spot. T12 follows next which is a quick left hander, quite difficult to get right.
T13 follows almost straight away, and is a very open left hander, which at the speeds the cars would be doing would be very difficult to get completely right, and could show up cars with not so settled rear ends. There is then a 400m straight down to T14, a very odd shaped hair pin. Open entry to a tighter apex to then exit which follows to T15, a sweeping right, which pretty much isn’t a corner but it is. The final corner is a medium to high speed sweeping right, to hopefully give drivers a better opportunity to overtake.
Also to note, there would only be 1 DRS zone.9th November 2014, 14:29 at 2:29 pm #285119
Loved Deep Forest, I think that was my favourite purpose built circuit. I also really loved Tokyo R246.
Least favourite? Couldn’t stand SSR11. I liked SSR5 though.