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    I think I’ll only rate the 18 drivers who completed the full season, but I’ll comment on the other four as well at the end

    18: Adrian Sutil. I think he has been the worst, or very close to the worst, driver of the season. Probably the driver who did the least note worthy things of the season. Other than his good qualifying for Austin, I don’t remember a single thing he did. Granted the car wouldn’t have helped but still very disappointing.

    17: Esteban Gutierrez. Again just another very uninspired season by Gutierrez. The only thing that places him just ahead of Sutil is that Sutil is a ‘veteran’ of the sport. As he was equal in both finishes ahead and qualifying ahead, I think the fact it’s his second year gives him that slight edge.

    16: Pastor Maldonado. Ahead of where I put him at half season, but still not exactly great. I just think based on expectations, he has definitely performed ahead of Raikkonen this season as a whole. He hasn’t been good though.

    15: Kimi Raikkonen. Easily the biggest disappointment of the season. For a world champion, this season has been utterly disastrous. He may have had his issues with the car, but to be completely embarrassed because of it… He should have got on top of the car more than he did. Sebastian Vettel who struggled with this years regulations was not as bad.

    14: Kevin Magnussen. After all the potential that surrounded this guy, he hasn’t really impressed, at least since Australia that is. His first race of the season got me very excited for the rest of the season, getting a 3rd (which later became 2nd) on his first outing, he only went a matched one Lewis Hamilton. I was thinking that we’ve got another talented rookie on our hands, a world beater out of the box. Granted those expectations were definitely too high, however I still think he under performed to more realistic expectations.

    13: Daniil Kvyat. Compared to last season when there was a clear stand-out rookie in Valterri Bottas, this year the rookies haven’t been exceptional. At least in the races. Kvyat looks like he’s absolutely got the speed and for me is the best rookie of the season.

    12: Sebastian Vettel. Very disappointing. Very similar to Raikkonen’s season with one difference. He didn’t get completely demolished. Vettel, whilst definitely defeated by his team mate, he started to look slightly more comfortable towards the end of the season. Still not fantastic though but I still think he’s been better than all behind him.

    11: Romain Grosjean. In the races they both finished in the first half, Grosjean was ahead 3-1 in the races they finished, and scored 8 fantastic points with two brilliant 8th places. His weekend in Spain was definitely a stand out race and I was genuinely surprised he managed a 5th in qualifying. That was special and to hold on to get points was brilliant. In the second half, however, it ended 2-4 in Maldonado’s favour, though at this point it was all really for nothing (other than a 9th for Maldonado which was a very good result). Grosjean I think is, for me, very difficult driver to rate after this season, possibly the hardest. I feel he has definitely performed very well, but given the car, it is too difficult to put him any higher I feel.

    10: Sergio Perez. Definitely upped his game in the second half of the season, however overall he definitely wasn’t as good as Hulkenberg. He outscored Hulkenberg at the end 24-19 (assuming that there were no double points), but compared to the rest of the season, he wasn’t great still.

    9: Jean Eric Vergne. Now here’s a driver who definitely deserves a seat in Formula One next season. It wont be with Toro Rosso, but I still believe he should be around just based on how competent he is in the races. He reminds me a not quite as good version, but still very good version, of Jenson Button. However, he’s still young and I think still has more to show. Will he ever be a world beater? Unlikely, but will he definitely score good points for a team? Absolutely. If I could, I’d replace Maldonado with Vergne at Lotus.

    8: Felipe Massa. Improved a lot in the second half of the season, and it is not like he had a bad first half either. Assuming there were no double points, since Spa he scored the same amount of points as Bottas and had some very good drivers to boot (including his fantastic Abu Dhabi, Austin and Brazil races). However, there is a reason Bottas scored far more points in the end. Massa was too error prone on a number of occasions and whilst he proved this season he absolutely has speed and was a fantastic resurgence… It’s still not the greatest.

    7: Nico Rosberg. I had Rosberg at 4th in the first half, however his second half of the season I found to be relatively poor. At least in the races that is. Spa was simply clumsy from himself, Monza was not good at all, Susuka was not either. Russia was another mistake from himself which ruined his race, and USA was once again another race that showed his race craft and ability is just not up to snuff. Brazil was his only good race in the second half of the season (a very good race), but 1 in 6 (races he completed with no car issues) is just not good enough.

    6: Nico Hulkenberg. Now I know that Hulkenberg’s second half to the season was definitely not as good as his first, but I think his first half was so good that he gets to keep his place. He would have been behind Rosberg, but I think Rosberg’s second half was even worse and whilst his first half was better than Hulk’s (I think), his second half was far worse. His race in Abu Dhabi was absolutely fantastic, I think, for me, one of the top 5 drives by any driver of the season. I loved that result. He ended the season 3-4 compared to Perez in the second half, but the times he were ahead I thought were far more impressive.

    5: Jenson Button. Easily the most improved driver on the second half. He basically did everything right since Belgium. He’s had one of those seasons that proves that he absolutely deserves to stay. His performances over the season have all been, for the most part, very very good in that Jenson Button way. A lot of the time not so stand out, but good enough. However, he did actually have a couple of stand out races which is why he places above Hulkenberg.

    4: Valterri Bottas. I think the top 4 are by far the stand out top 4 of the season. Bottas has been absolutely phenomenal this season, and whilst he second half (like many others) isn’t quite as good as his first, it really isn’t that far off. The points difference to Massa is massive. The points difference given the points available to the team (generally anything from 3rd to 6th on average), the points gap at the end is rather large. And even when Massa had a much better second half than his first, with no double points both of them scored the exact same. So Massa being improved in the second half still only points wise matched Bottas who was slightly down on his first half. I think he’s proved that he is definitely world champion material.

    3: Lewis Hamilton. Hamilton stays where I placed him in the first half of the season. The main reason for this is his qualifying performances. His race performances for pretty much the entire season have been phenomenal. Compared to Rosberg, in races where they both finished, Rosberg only won 4 races compared to Hamilton’s 8. In a season where a car had the potential to win every race (other than Canada), Rosberg got 5. I don’t think anyone doubts that Hamilton has comprehensively beaten Rosberg.

    2: Daniel Ricciardo. Drops from 1st to 2nd. Not quite as good compared to Vettel as the first half, but he was still certainly better. He doesn’t drop to 3rd (or rather Hamilton doesn’t get promoted to 2nd) because Ricciardo was still further ahead of Vettel than Hamilton was of Rosberg performance wise. And whilst Vettel underperformed and Rosberg was better, it still shows that Ricciardo is another definite world champion contender. Fantastic season.

    1: Fernando Alonso. Just, the man is so good. He has completely destroyed Kimi Raikkonen like no driver should be able to. I believe at every single race, if not for 1 or 2, he has performed at the maximum. The car clearly not being very good (behind the Williams and Red Bull and sometimes the McLaren), he still managed to score points in every race that he finished. He put in some fantastic racing performances against cars that should have blasted past. By being better than basically everyone on the grid he was able to benefit from every single time someone made a mistake. You can’t over perform a car, that’s impossible… But he damn near makes me believe it’s possible. I can’t wait to see what he can do in a race winning car again, hopefully he gets that next year. I just can’t see past him where he has a good car, I think he’d win the championship.

    Chilton and Ericsson have been terrible.

    Koboyashi was better than both of those however he wasn’t exactly spectacular, and I mean against Ericcson it’s hard to know how good he really was. The fact he was able to mingle with Bianchi sometimes in a slower car, I think he did a pretty good job.

    And then there’s Bianchi. For me he has been exceptional this season. His points in Monaco was one of those performance that had me shouting with joy as he crossed the line. His move on Koboyashi was just brilliant. The whole weekend was just a happy occasion. He wiped the floor with Chilton, although to a slightly lesser degree than last season. The sad thing is that because his season was so good, I thought he was a shoe-in for a top drive because of it at some point… Forza Jules.

    #287530
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    I’d love to see scale models of F1 race tracks. They’d probably be expensive as hell but I’d still like to see it.

    like the trophy’s idea too, some of the designs are awesome!

    #287354
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    Also this:

    #287274
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    Many thanks! I enjoyed doing that one I’ll be honest. Usually my redesigns of tracks aren’t great but I’d love to see F1 at that track, I think it’d work very well.

    As for the next challenge. It is up to you to redesign any oval track in the world to have a new, and fully fit for F1 infield circuit. Now when I say infield, it doesn’t actually have to be actually within the oval (although some of it must be). You can assume that an area of the oval can be demolished to allow the new course to leave and come back in.

    Rules:

    4-7km in length.
    Must use the original oval for atleast 200m at two different points.
    Not really a rule, but try not add really tight areas to the track, try to think of the flow and how fun it’d be to drive. You aren’t forbidden from using them though as the chances are you can come up with something that works.

    Go wild.

    Also, thanks to @mfreire for giving me an idea for the challenge. It’s been done before but this time it is more open ended.

    I guess entries end sometime over the weekend.

    #286129
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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6484571

    6.25km 16 corner clockwise circuit.

    The run down to T1 would be quite short to make sure the cars don’t start on the curve. Turn 1 is the same hairpin that exists there today, but would be widened a bit for F1’s use. T2 comes after about a 450m straight. T2 is a quick sweeping right hander that would be potentially flat. T3 follows after 200m straight, and is almost the same corner as T2 but this time it is a left hander.

    T4 follows relatively soon after a 100m gap and is very similar to T3, potentially a little longer but also a smaller angle too. Still flat. T5 follows, quite an open and long hairpin, but still tight enough for it to be a heavy braking zone. T6 extends from T5 and is a long and sweeping right hander, which hopefully should make it hard to put the power down for cars. A 400m straight follows, and leads down to T7, similar to how the circuit goes now, but is slightly more open and is more of a sweeper. T8 comes next, and is exactly the same as that corner always was. These two together should be fun to watch F1 cars through. T9 comes up shortly after, and relatively tight, but again open radius right hander. T10 comes next, after a 200m straight. T10 is a very long corner, and I imagine would be very difficult to get everything right through there. Watching the drivers tackle it would be fun. T11 follows out of T10, and flings the cars in the other direction, and based on how the corners are together, it should mean you have to compromise the perfect line through one to get the other right.

    There is then about a 700m straight down to the infamous final corner of the old circuit. T12 is as it always has been, but resurfaced to standard F1 tarmac (if that’s a thing). T13 follows, exactly the same as the old T1, but again resurfaced. There is then a slight kink in the straight approaching T14, though it wouldn’t be a corner. T14 is relatively tight hairpin, similar in profile to T4 at Bahrain only this time it is a left hander. Following directly after this is T15 a flat out left hander which feeds directly into T16, which is essentially a curved straight. This ends the lap. The pit lane goes under ground at the end.

    #285687
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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6482901

    2.3 miles or 3.7km circuit. 11 corners, clockwise.

    T1 is like many other tracks I do, a tight hairpin. I like there to be a clear overtaking opportunity for T1, and a hairpin like this can allow for the switch back to happen. T2,3 is a relatively slow chicane complex, a slightly tighter and shorter version of T8,9 at Hungaroring. There is then a short straight down to the sweeping right hander of T4. There is then a medium length straight that runs down to T5, a very quick left handed, half sweeper half kink, which follows quickly on to T6, a very similar corner. Both corners make it look like one long double apex corner, but there is a short straight between the two.

    There is then a short straight to T7, another quick sweeping right hander. T8 follows a straight. T8 is quite a nice corner, with it being quite long and open, it should be quite good to watch cars through. T9 follows, a hairpin which is opportune for overtaking. T10,11 follow, a chicane which is quite long, an open first part and a tighter second part, leading back onto the main straight.

    #285168
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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6479132

    5.01km clock-wise circuit. 16 corners. Pitlane goes over with a tight bridge, instead of under, just to be different.

    T1 is an open corner, potentially not flat, though I don’t really know how tight it would be. I’d like to see it tight enough to not be flat though, or at least hairy if it’s flat. T2 follows, a left hairpin that opens as it goes on, and then leads straight onto T3. T3 is a relatively quick and leads straight into T4, making it a long and relatively fast and sweeping chicane. T5 follows quickly, quite a tight right hander. Exiting T5 is a sweep to the right of T6, flat and basically not a corner.

    T7 then comes next, or rather then T7,8,9 complex, similar to Les Combes at Spa, but with a tighter second corner, but a more open first and third corner. i.e T7,9 more open, T8 tighter. There is then a short straight down to T10, which is a long, sweeping a difficult right hander. There is then a smaller straight which leads to T11, a right hander which could be an overtaking spot. T12 follows next which is a quick left hander, quite difficult to get right.

    T13 follows almost straight away, and is a very open left hander, which at the speeds the cars would be doing would be very difficult to get completely right, and could show up cars with not so settled rear ends. There is then a 400m straight down to T14, a very odd shaped hair pin. Open entry to a tighter apex to then exit which follows to T15, a sweeping right, which pretty much isn’t a corner but it is. The final corner is a medium to high speed sweeping right, to hopefully give drivers a better opportunity to overtake.

    Also to note, there would only be 1 DRS zone.

    #285119
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    Loved Deep Forest, I think that was my favourite purpose built circuit. I also really loved Tokyo R246.

    Least favourite? Couldn’t stand SSR11. I liked SSR5 though.

    #282749
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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6475273

    6.7577km anti-clockwise circuit, 21 corners.

    The start line would be quite near to the start of the pit straight, relatively, so the run down to T1 would be quite long, at least 600m.

    T1 is a hairpin similar to Austin but without the massive elevation (i.e, opened up to make it wider). This leads into T2 a quick 100 degree right hander which starts off the complex of T3,4,5,6,7. T3 would be a tricky one, as it is deceptively long, with the start of the corner being flat out and long, and then slowly tightening. T4 is then a tricky, open fast but also deceptively sharp corner, but in general it would be quite high speed. T5 is a long sweeping left hander, opening up the complex towards then end, to then be imediatedly followed by T6,7, a quick, open and sweeping right left chicane which will be arrived at with high speed, making it quite difficult to get right. The change of direction over these three corners would be awesome to watch the cars through. There is then a short straight to T8.

    T8 is in a similar style to T3, but much shorter and tighter, in that it starts quite open and then quickly gets tighter. T9 is a double apex corner, similar to 7 and 8 at Malaysia, but instead of it being two clear corners, it’s one long corner. T10 is a long, flat out right hander, which should be fun to see the cars go through there. There is then a straight down to T11 which is an open corner and would be very difficult to get braking and turn in correct. T12 follows shortly, almost making this like a long chicane. T13 arrives shortly after, a long sweeping left hander. The power delivery on the engines could make this a little difficult to get right, and also the corner should allow cars to follow easier.

    T14 comes after as short straight. This next section of track would be very fast. T14 is a not quite flat left handed corner, judging by the speeds the cars would potentially be taking at this point. Drivers may wish to try to push the limits a lot here to gain as much time as possible. T15 is a quick jink to the left, with a clearly defined apex. T16 is a long open right hander, which leads itself straight into T17, almost making it an odd hybrid chicane, where the first corner is much more open and longer this giving it the illusion of being a completely separate corner. T17 is a quick dart left, but unlike T15 it is smooth instead of a jink. T18 is a flat out left hander leading onto the final straight on the circuit. T19 comes after this, a left handed tight hairpin. This doesn’t receive the same treatment as T1 and so is tighter. The final two corners are a relatively quick but tricky chicane. The first part is much more open, and then the cars would have to brake quite a bit to hit the final corner correctly. The runoff here is particularly important to be gravel to discourage running wide.

    At T10 the track comes quite close to two other parts of the track (pit straight and T5,6,7) which means there should be at least three parts of the track visible at the same time on TV if a good camera angle is chosen.

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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6469793

    6.4km circuit, 17 corners.

    T1,2 are boring corners, not exactly a great start to the track, but necessary to have the rest of the track. There is then a long run to T3, a quick flat out (I think so anyway, but it may not be) into a flat T4 which leads almost directly into T5, a tight left 90 which would be difficult to get right. T6 follows, which will be difficult to get the power down, and it’s also design to be slightly open so that cars can follow slightly closer.

    There is then a short 500m odd run down to T7, a tight but open radius right handed hairpin. There is then a short run to T8. T8 is a quick, sweeping left hander. A short run to a quick sweeping flat right hander of T9, followed by a quick left of T10 and then ended with a 90 right of T11. After this 90, there is a long straight all the way down to T12, a quick sweeping right hander into a hard braking zone of T13, which is a tight, sharp right handed hairpin.

    T14 is a quick sweeping kink to the left, and then T15 would be a trick to get right left handed corner. There is then a short run down to T16, which is of a similar angle to T12 at Australia. Then there is a short run to the final corner of T17, which is similar to T11 at Australia. The nature of this final corner means that there could be quite a few overtakes at T1.

    #280285
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    @mfreire I did the exact same thing when I first started doing these, I just posted many different tracks not understanding how it worked. As @vmaxmuffin says though, I’m glad for the enthusiasm!

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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6466337

    Not 100% a street circuit, but I could still see it working. Anyway:

    5.98km circuit, 20 corners.

    The circuit starts with a short run down to T1, a right hand almost hairpin. T1 opens up into a slight curve. Then there’s a short run to T2, quite a quick, open right hander, which quickly leads into a quick left hander, creating a sort of quick, long chicane. Then there’s a short straight to T4, a difficult to get right left hander. The road around here and into and around T5 would need to be widened. T5 is similar to T3 at Sochi, but runs the other way around. There’s then a left hander, almost 90 degree corner after, which is pretty much all that fit in the layout.

    After this, T7 comes up, quite a quick left hander, which would be quite tricky to get right, especially as 8 follows after it, so it’s vital to find a good line through both, which means a compromise would be needed on one of the corners. T9 is a quick kink onto a short straight to T10, a long right hander sweeper, which should be exciting to see cars run through. T11 is then a 90 right, not super exciting but again all that fits here. An 800m straight then runs up T12, which is another 90 right, but again all that works here. It would still be quite a challenge though as it would be tight.

    After this, T13 comes up after a slight straight. T13 would be very difficult to get right, a very long apex right handed hairpin corner, taken at low speed. Trying to get the power down whilst maintaining the quickest line would be hard. T14 follows as a long sweeping left hander. T15,16 is a quick right left chicane. T17 comes next, a open radius left hander, which would be fun to watch the cars through (especially with the buildings on either side). There is then a relatively open left handed 90 degree corner of T18. The final two corners would be flat out (maybe), a left hander and a right hander. I think watching the cars through these corners would be exciting to watch.

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    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6460712

    Very similar to the original layout but with a few changes.

    T1 – unchanged.
    T2 – Slightly extended compared to original T2 to remove the kink that everyone cut, whilst remaining tight enough to count as a proper braking zone.
    T3 – Entry slightly tighter that originally due to nature of T2, but it’s pretty much the same.
    T4 – Originally where T4,5 would be but it’s now like a mirror of T3 just the other way.
    T5 – Tighter than what T6,7 were, relatively straight forward corner. The corner itself is need to slow the cars down, and add an overtaking chance.
    T6 – Slight kink after T5 but far enough down the road to not be cut like T2 on original track.
    T7 – Open radius corner instead of the original T8,9. It’s also quite a long corner and I imagine quite tricky.
    T8 – Opened up the original T10, should make it easier for cars to follow through there to open up overtakes. T8 kind of includes what was T11 (it’s sort of like one large corner/straight now).
    T9,10,11 – Same as original T12,13,14
    T12,13 – Changed original T15,16 to become a fast and quite flowing, open radius left,right chicane. Should be quite tricky to get right, and watching cars through there could be quite fun.
    T14,15 – Opened up T14 (originally T17), making it faster and quite difficult and also making the braking zone into T15 quite difficult as you’re turning, so whilst T15 isn’t really that spectacular, the entrance to it makes it so.

    I think the redesign helps it become more flowing, faster but also better to watch the cars through and also should improve racing realistically.

    Also, Tilke lied when he said there was no space to do any different design. I can’t understand his need to use 90 degree corners, other than maybe he has a piece of tracing paper with a number of different corner designs on and he just ends up using the corner of the paper instead.

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    @vmaxmuffin So, I guess this place has potentially finally died out again. You can have your go though if you want considering you’ve technically won this one. Nice additions by the way, I did something very similar with Fagnes, though my Bus Stop was different (quite a bit). I like the tightening on Eau Rouge, making it a corner once again, same with Blanchimont, though I imagine it may reduce overtaking into Bus Stop, especially with its shorter distance to it now. Still would prefer it that way.

    #277317
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    For some reason, I can’t see notifications from this thread, as in it doesn’t appear in the main F1 thread anymore. No idea why.
    But anyway, thanks @vmaxmuffin . I did try to make it as realistic as possible whilst not being boring. I think there are enough interesting corners.

    So, I’m a fan of modifying tracks to make them better. Normally when this challenge comes about people change really bad tracks into good ones. What I want to see this time is a modification to your favourite, current, F1 circuit.

    Rules:

    – Maximum increase/decrease in length is 10% of original length
    – Pit-straight must stay the same.

    As you say, a broader challenge may be good so, here it is. A go. You’ll have until Friday practice again.

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