• @mickey18 @PJA Surely the drivers only care about what constitutes ‘track limits’ as far as it is defined by the stewards? I.e. if they can get away with it, do it.

  • Vettel… was one of those who regularly had all four wheels outside of the white line, do the drivers not consider that as going off track any more?

    I think that’s a good point. It does seem like a […]

  • @pja I’m going to try one last time. Not even going to respond to @freelittlebirds as he is completely wrong. To begin with, the thing I want to explain is that what you did in your first post mathematically is […]

  • @xtwl As @pja has explained the net benefit to Nico at the time of the incident was 25 points. However since Nico was at fault he deserved to lose his points while Lewis remained at P1.

    Nico ended up 29 […]

  • Sometimes I am not very good at explaining things, even when they seem perfectly clear to me.

    @pja, me too.

    However what does change in the two situations is Hamilton’s result, in case 1 Hamilton retires and […]

  • @pja I typed this really long comment but I decided to just give up.

  • Start, Silverstone, 2014The 2014 edition of the British Grand Prix – the 50th to be held at Silverstone – did not disappoint.

    The stage was set by a thrilling and unpredictable wet qualifying session, the result of which was a grid with several drivers out of their usual qualifying positions.

    The race began with a delay of over an hour following a first-lap crash for Kimi Raikkonen which brought the red flag out for track repairs. Fortunately the Ferrari driver and those involved in the accident were unharmed.

    Another intriguing contest between the two Mercedes was in the offing until technical problems forced Nico Rosberg out. But as that allowed Lewis Hamilton to claim his second home win, the crowd wasn’t too disappointed. It also narrowed the gap between the championship leaders to just four points.

    The British Grand Prix received an average rating of 7.8 out of ten – the third-highest of the year so far. Here’s what F1 Fanatic readers thought of it:

    Alonso versus Vettel

    By far the best wheel-to-wheel action of the race was supplied by two drivers with six world championships between them: Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel, who slugged it out for more than a dozen laps. However the persistent complaining from both drivers on the radio drew some criticism.

    One of the best battles I’ve seen in a long time between Alonso and Vettel. Bottas put in a beautiful drive and there was plenty of action wherever you looked.

    I thought it was a great race, there seemed to be plenty of action throughout. I loved the battle between Alonso and Vettel and I was laughing at the radio comments from them as it seemed every lap one one of them was complaining about the other one, hoping that a penalty would be handed out.

    The fight between Vettel and Alonso, in my opinion, was highlight of the race. They fought for every millimetre of the track, the duel was just titanic.

    It was a pity the drivers couldn’t avoid whining, because they’re such great drivers and should put their energy into racing.

    Massa’s heroics

    Felipe Massa’s lightning reactions potentially spared Raikkonen from suffering a much worse accident, as he pitched his Williams into a spin to avoid striking the damaged Ferrari head-on.

    Impressed with Massa’s skilful avoidance tactics after Raikkonen went off.

    One (well known) person interviewed after the race said Massa “locked up”. I beg to differ. It looked like he deliberately wrenched the car sideways to avoid T-boning Raikkonen’s car; in my opinion it was skill and quick reactions, not an error.

    Respect to Massa for fast reactions. The onboard shot shows just how close he was when the Ferrari appeared in his view. I doubt anyone other than an F1 driver could have reacted so quickly. A tenth of a delay and he would have T-boned Raikkonen, and I don’t want to even consider what that may have caused.

    What a quick and fully committed move by Massa. If the tyres were hotter he might have even avoided Raikkonen. I imagine that Massa doesn’t have many Finnish fans, so I hope that they noticed!

    The view from the spectators

    I don’t know how well the television coverage showed the race. But as a spectator, it was one of the best British grands prix I have been to. The support for not only Hamilton, but for Button and Chilton was fantastic.

    The Raikkonen crash delay just heightened the expectation of the crowd. Bottas was brilliant. The battle between Vettel and Alonso was brilliant too. Involving Magnusson too for a number of laps.

    There were battles all the way through the field. A cracking race.

    I was there too, the atmosphere was truly incredible! Every time a British driver came past everyone cheered, whether it was Hamilton, Button or Chilton!

    The noise is just not the same.

    I was at the Austrian Grand Prix too, so have heard them for a total of five days now. The GP2 cars, and the GP3 cars are both louder than the F1 cars. The Porsche Supercup also!

    Ear defenders are not essential any more. You can hear a lot of the race commentary over the speaker systems. Or with a radio and headphones you can hear all of the commentary. F1 has definitely lost something. It was well proven during the lunchtime display when Alain Prost drove last years Red Bull.

    I certainly heard a lot of people around me complaining about the noise, however the quality if the racing was such that I didn’t really find myself minding.

    I liked being able to actually hear the commentary at the track, and so while the old noise was great, the new noise is good too, for me it didn’t really affect the show.

    No fight at the front

    One unfortunate aspect of the race was that Rosberg’s retirement spoiled a potential battle for victory. This mattered more to some than others.

    There were some absolutely fantastic battles up and down the field, notably between two drivers that share six world championships between them, and there were some very good strategy calls made today.

    However, we were denied any sort of battle for the race lead due to Mercedes’ gearboxes, and we had a very long delay in which I did honestly get quite bored. It’s a fantastic result from a British perspective, yes, but from a purist point of view it was a pretty mediocre race.

    No battle for the lead; the race winner result obvious since one of the two possible competitors retired, useless red flag stoppage that set the race back one hour for a trivial reason, was half-asleep during most of it.

    Sure we had some really good passing as well as really good defending. But the race was decided by a gearbox issue, apart from that the fights were for lower spots.

    F1 is now officially as boring as NASCAR.

    Praise for the ‘show’

    With all that was going on, does F1 really need standing restarts and other gimmicks?

    That’s all I really want from a race – great wheel-to-wheel action, several teams with similar pace, a couple of young chargers on the podium and some doughnuts.

    They don’t need to improve the show, because that was great!

    One of the best British Grand Prix, and possibly better than Bahrain. Cars overtaking and team radio wars. Unfortunately Rosberg was out. But it still a stellar battle.

    We are only halfway into the season and have already had three absolutely phenomenal grands prix. Got to love 2014.

    2014 race results

    2014 Canadian Grand Prix9.190
    2014 Bahrain Grand Prix9.095
    2014 British Grand Prix7.848
    2014 Monaco Grand Prix7.044
    2014 Australian Grand Prix6.889
    2014 Austrian Grand Prix6.698
    2014 Spanish Grand Prix6.449
    2014 Malaysian Grand Prix5.896
    2014 Chinese Grand Prix5.473

    British Grand Prix results

    2008 British Grand Prix8.164
    2011 British Grand Prix7.960
    2014 British Grand Prix7.848
    2013 British Grand Prix7.394
    2010 British Grand Prix7.203
    2012 British Grand Prix7.048
    2009 British Grand Prix5.755

    2014 British Grand Prix

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    Image © Allianz

  • Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Red Bull Ring, 2014Formula One’s return to Austria was greeted by a huge and enthusiastic crowd. But how did the race go down with fans?

    An average score of 6.6 out of ten was slightly down on the average for the season so far (7.1) but not far off the same figure since Rate the Race began in 2008 (6.8).

    The widely-held view among fans was that after an exciting qualifying session, which produced some surprise on the grid, the race didn’t really live up to expectations. And for some the increasingly common sight of computer-generated advertisements – which at this race included a personal message from Bernie Ecclestone to Red Bull Ring owner Dietrich Mateschitz – has become an irritation.

    Here’s what F1 Fanatic readers had to say about the Austrian Grand Prix since 2003.

    Nice track, shame about the race

    A hesitating grand prix. When you take a look at the live timing and see that a driver is less than one second to another, you expect some racing action.

    At this track, you can overtake at turn one, two, three, four, six, seven and eight. Seen in GP3 and GP2.
    JayfreeseKnight (@Jeff1s)

    Great track, never expected the race to be that boring. Williams did everything strategy-wise not to get in Mercedes’ way. Great drive from Perez though.
    Oli (@Dh1996)

    Lack of track action

    The battle between the Mercedes drivers never happened and a battle between Bottas and Massa didn’t really happen either.

    The most exciting part was wondering if Maldonado would be clean when being lapped, he actually pleasantly surprised me today. Good drive from Perez to make up for his stupidity last race. A few nice overtakes and a nice first lap but tapered off towards the second half.
    Duncan Brokensha (@Broke84)

    Even though Williams had both cars on the front row from even before the race I thought that Rosberg would end up winning and that although Hamilton might catch his team mate he would not get past him. So there wasn’t really much excitement and tension relating to the victory itself for me.

    Also I didn’t think there was that much on track action through the rest of the field.

    More drivers should look into using the harder tyres for their first stint. It’s obviously the better strategy.

    Although current regulations make that pretty much impossible other than missing out on Q3 (like Perez keeps doing). Not sure what the idea was to fix tyres on the fastest lap in Q2, but it has definitely made sure there will be no different strategies among the drivers going through to Q3.

    TV direction, artificial ads – and personal messages

    It almost looked like there were only five cars racing at some point. It was obvious nothing was going to happen, show some other cars then…
    PorscheF1 (@Xtwl)

    Showing Dietrich Mateschitz signing autographs mid-race, the cheeky television print on the track saying ‘Congratulations Mr Dietrich’… I understand it’s basically their race, but there are cleverer ways – the end for example, with everyone in the grandstands showing the Austrian flag, and the bull sculpture in the middle of the track. The rest is just cheap stuff that annoys viewers. Show the race instead!

    The overlaid ads were an absolute joke. FOM needs to stop with those. And the whole ‘Congratulations Mateschitz, thanks Bernie’ thing was real dumb.
    Alex Williams (@Scuderia-Alex)

    2014 Rate the Race results

    Race Rating
    2014 Canadian Grand Prix9.190
    2014 Bahrain Grand Prix9.095
    2014 Monaco Grand Prix7.044
    2014 Australian Grand Prix6.889
    2014 Austrian Grand Prix6.698
    2014 Spanish Grand Prix6.449
    2014 Malaysian Grand Prix5.896
    2014 Chinese Grand Prix5.473

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    Image © Daimler/Hoch Zwei

  • @pja I was surprised, but I couldn’t care less whether it was in English or Italian. True, it gives the team a more private appearance, but it also separates them from the other ones.
    All F1 drivers speak […]

  • and for people with families there is only likely to be one winner there

    the divorce attorney @pja?

  • @pja That’s fixed

    @BrawnGP @jonnyw360f1 To clarify, there is no mobile site any more – the site has a single theme and this adapts based on the width of your screen.

    Previously we had a script which […]

  • @PJA

    The transcript of the meeting was just released today but the actual meeting took place a week ago. You can watch it from link, the meeting was a about 2 hours long but you can click on the last 5 minutes […]

  • @pja yes, that was the prime reason, the better packaging they allowed. And maybe fuel efficciency was also a part of it.

    The Renault seems to give their teams a tad better traction out of the corners, which […]