Red Bull have been forced to cancel their running for a second day at Jerez after further problems with their RB10.
Daniel Ricciardo stopped on his first lap out of the pits midway through the third day of testing. He managed just two further laps before the team abandoned their running.
The team confirmed it had suffered a repeat of yesterday’s technical problems.
“We worked hard yesterday to make the changes it was felt were necessary to overcome the problems we identified and we were hopeful of a more successful day today,” explained race engineering co-ordinator Andy Damerum.
“Unfortunately, the measures we took only partially solved the issue and, as with yesterday, it’s more sensible to stop and dig deeper into finding a solution.
“It’s obviously not where we want to be and naturally the whole team is frustrated by these issues. However, we’re pretty good at bouncing back from this type of thing. This is where the whole team pulls together and I’m sure we will get these problems fixed.”
Red Bull have completed 14 laps of testing in three days.
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disjunto (@disjunto)
30th January 2014, 14:26
With all these issues surrounding the Renault power unit, getting more and more worried about the state of Lotus
Ean (@ean)
30th January 2014, 16:28
Maybe Lotus knew more than the other Renault teams that’s why they withdrew from the test
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
30th January 2014, 16:34
@disjunto um, in hindsight, maybe they are better off missing this test…
Andrei (@crandreico)
30th January 2014, 18:03
Maybe that’s why Boullier said that more teams won’t be attending the first tests.
Roald (@roald)
30th January 2014, 14:28
No one’s problems appear to be as bad as Red Bull’s. Might be down to their packaging being TOO tight and not just the Renault powerplant.
Guccio (@concalvez00)
30th January 2014, 15:12
Gotta agree with this.
petebaldwin (@)
30th January 2014, 16:24
I think Red Bull have their own set of problems but the fact that Renault’s V6 doesn’t work is certainly another one!
DanimalHouse (@thrillerwa09)
30th January 2014, 17:03
Pretty standard Adrian Newey problem. However, once the problem is tweaked and resolved…. look out everybody else.
NickF12013 (@nickf12013)
30th January 2014, 14:29
Hahaha I’m so happy. I know I’m a bad person…
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 14:58
Don’t be. They’ll win again.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 15:52
@full-throttle-f1
Why so confident? ;-)
David not Coulthard (@)
30th January 2014, 15:55
@kingshark I think @full-throttle-f1 meant that if @nickf12013 were so happy about it then Karma would strike and (just like that) Red Bull would win.
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 16:04
@kingshark
Just speaking on experience :-). Never get your hopes up, thats what I did for the past 4 years, I have learned not to do that.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 16:10
@full-throttle-f1
From twitter;
When you say Red Bull RB10, it sounds like: “Red Bull are beaten”. Try it. ;-)
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 16:11
Heard it. Laughed for a moment, then put serious face back on ;-)
Grosjean's smile (@testacorsa)
1st February 2014, 22:47
@kingshark LOL – Awesome comment, that!
Todfod (@todfod)
30th January 2014, 17:08
Honestly, I rather see Red Bull fix their issues and get a competitive car ready for the start of 2014. Dont want them to build a dominant car, but just one good enough to battle Mercedes, Ferrari and Mclaren on equal footing.
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
30th January 2014, 14:30
Any news on what really is wrong with Red Bull? I’ve read that it’s something to do with packaging, and the positon of some things that Renault are not happy with…
toiago (@toiago)
30th January 2014, 14:33
They certainly couldn’t be expecting anything different from Newey.
Patrick (@paeschli)
30th January 2014, 15:06
Indeed, the Newey cars of 2010-2013 were suprisingly reliable given his reputation of building fast but unreliable cars.
kpcart
30th January 2014, 15:12
what do you mean, that is not his reputation, that is you inventing it, maybe after the 05 McLaren? mostly his cars have been fast and as reliable and others. and every car past 2010 has been reliable anyway because the formula was mostly the same.
toiago (@toiago)
30th January 2014, 15:19
The Red Bull cars have been one of the most affected by KERS issues because of the unusual way in which the system was positioned in the car, because of Newey’s approach to it.
BarnstableD (@barnstabled)
30th January 2014, 15:29
I’ve heard Brundle say something along these lines too, so it’s not just Patrick thinking it or ‘inventing it’.
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
30th January 2014, 16:36
The 2007 and 2008 Red Bulls were incredibly unreliable, if I remember well. And all the championship winning Red Bulls have had some gremlins. KERS, mainly. Gearbox issues too, remember last year.
xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag)
30th January 2014, 14:41
Here’s hoping they sort out the issues for Bahrain so they can really put in some laps and see just how good their car is.
iAltair (@)
30th January 2014, 17:41
Technical analyst says if everything is sorted out, it could be a RBR 1-2 in Australia.
So…
nidzovski (@nidzovski)
30th January 2014, 14:49
Newey is already working on McLaren rear spoiler bottom. Maybe that’s way :D
Guccio (@concalvez00)
30th January 2014, 15:13
Rource ?.
Guccio (@concalvez00)
30th January 2014, 15:14
Source ?.
matt90 (@matt90)
30th January 2014, 16:08
Scooby?
Jamie hammond (@jdsunset)
30th January 2014, 16:30
hahahahahaah
Gwan
30th January 2014, 16:39
That gave me a giggle, thanks!
Greg-c
31st January 2014, 13:03
Roflmao
Bhahahaaa
Like wow scooby,
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 14:54
I would remind you all of the case of the MP4-26, a car that in testing had an exhaust that only ever managed to do four laps in a row before it overheated, and yet, it was the same car that won the third race of the season. Red Bull are a powerhouse. At the moment they appear, like McLaren did in 2011, to have a fundamental issue with their car, which rumours say is the electrical installation of the car, but the second the problem is identified, steps can be made to rectify it, and I would imagine those steps are already being taken. Make no mistake, this is not necessarily heralding the end of an era for Red Bull, especially since we haven’t actually seen what the car is capable of yet. What bodes less favourably for Red Bull is the mileage Mercedes is racking up…
p.s. It’s still William Brierty, I’ve just changed my avatar.
@HoHum (@hohum)
30th January 2014, 15:08
Will, can you not also change your @name to something shorter like @wb, less typing and less chance of error for respondents.
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
30th January 2014, 15:15
@hohum I’m not sure you can, otherwise I may have changed mine (although @vettel1 has a degree of infamy about it).
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 15:37
@vettel1 does indeed come with plenty of infamy? What about @eyebrowman14 for my @name if I can change it?
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 15:35
@hohum – I don’t see how I do that. And anyway, why can’t you just copy and paste the @name like I do?
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
30th January 2014, 16:42
@william-brierty @hohum I wish the username would appear automatically when you hit reply and then you can delete it if you want to.
Like on twitter.
@HoHum (@hohum)
31st January 2014, 0:26
@william-brierty, good idea except I can’t make it work, maybe it’s Ubuntu but more likely just me.
Surely if Max J can be @Vet..1 them Will B can be @anything you want.
Terry Saunders
30th January 2014, 15:10
totally agree,
They’ve got the resources and manpower to sort it out, but I’d guess with such a complicated rule change they won’t be quite up to speed by season start.
but maybe halfway through the season they’ll be blitzing the competition and winning eight straight races again… maybe.
uan (@uan)
30th January 2014, 15:15
Toto Wolfe was saying after Day 1 that while it’s good to be getting laps under their belt (don’t forget the shooting day at Silverstone Mercedes had), they still haven’t done testing around performance. And there’s no way yet to know how they will stack up against everyone else in that department.
The one thing RBR has going for them over all the other top teams is that they have shown themselves to be masters of developing their car in season. They also have admitted they are further behind because they were focusing for so long on winning the championships last year.
Let’s not forget last year that Mercedes had the fastest car at the start of the season, more specifically at the start of races, before their tires would go away and they’d tumble down the order. Remember China? Bahrain? Canada? At least the cars weren’t breaking down ;)
What’s really fun to watch is not so much where they are today, but how the teams will develop the cars over testing and the season.
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 15:43
@uan – 2012 indeed illustrated that they are the masters of in season development, and it was that, coupled with McLaren’s failure to make the best of the MP4-27 that won Vettel his third title. I disagree however, that Mercedes had the fastest car at the start of 2013. They often had the fastest car on a single lap, due to the ease with which the car generated tyre temperature, but I would still argue that the RB9 had greater peak grip and downforce.
petebaldwin (@)
30th January 2014, 16:31
Honestly, I think a much larger problem for them is their engine. With 8 days of testing left to go after Jerez, they are fast running out of time. Each of their engines sounded very sick when they ran today!
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
30th January 2014, 16:34
@william-brierty very good point on the comparison between the MP4-26 and the RB10, but one could flip that and suggest that since it is McLaren and Mercedes now racking up the miles that they will be the principle contenders and Red Bull will be constrained to the “close but not quite close enough” category…
It’s still far too early to be drawing any conclusions though – reliability issues are to be expected with such a momentous change to the regulations and of course the RB10 hasn’t been driven in anger at all yet, so we have no basis on which it judge it’s performance credentials (as you stated yourself).
However, I would not be surprised at all if a fundamentally changed car arrived in Bahrain.
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 17:13
@vettel1 – I just don’t we can underestimate Red Bull. Yes, they are now three days behind in the installation process and have, to all intents and purposes, more of a sculpture than a racing car in that it seldom moves due to what we are now learning is a electronic installation issue, but such is the speed of development that that has shown in the past, particularly in 2012, that a solution is probably already being worked on and I expect a fundamentally different car to arrive in Bahrain. Also, so early are we in 2014 that the RB10 could very well be 0.5 a second down the road compared to the W05, F14 T or MP4-29, and then, once Red Bull have solved its issues they will be unbeatable once more.
And yet, I say that assuming it is the same Red Bull team as it was last year. Will the defection of key personnel affect Red Bull’s ability to respond to this? And in 2014, will the value of that precious first mileage put Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari ahead? All I know is the W05, MP4-29 and F14 T all look fast and reliable…
sato113 (@sato113)
30th January 2014, 14:58
i hope vettel retires at every race. maybe ricciardo popping up with a few podiums here and there!
Sumedh
30th January 2014, 15:59
Oh, wow… aren’t you a true Formula 1 fan.
ranjith
30th January 2014, 16:01
After reading your post, first thing came to my mind was Joker’s dialogue in TDK.”Madness is like gravity.All you need is a little push” Both Red Bull and Sebastian vettel have done more than a push indeed.:D
Formula1 (@s2g-unit)
30th January 2014, 16:11
I agree too! I hope Redbulll gets it this year. Many people will cheer if they are not on top. People not stop being such pussies. It is ok to have a team you don’t like & enjoy when they dont win.
petebaldwin (@)
30th January 2014, 16:40
It’s what is wrong with the modern F1 fan. I don’t think it is ok to hope someone retires. It’s like watching football and hoping someone gets injured.
I hope the other teams can up their game and beat Red Bull this year but doing it by Red Bull retiring proves nothing.
Grosjean's smile (@testacorsa)
1st February 2014, 23:09
Agreed! Retirements will be plentiful I’m sure, but that is not something to hope for. Hope for intense racing and grand battles instead, where Vettel come out as the loser (Feel free to insert any driver name instead of Vettel ;))
It will only be a satisfying win for both drivers and fans, if the victory is won, and not handed over by retirement – f1 is a sport after all.
Calum (@calum)
30th January 2014, 15:09
I hope they sort it out.
Whenever somebody eventually beats RedBull over a season I want it to be a close fight with RedBull involved rather than a non-event with RedBull unable to compete in defending their title.
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 15:13
Red Bull will never be beaten.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 16:18
@full-throttle-f1
With the Red Bull RB10 they will be. Keep saying the name. ;-)
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 16:21
I am not getting myself excited, then I’ll just be disappointed :-)
WilliamB (@william-brierty)
30th January 2014, 17:23
@full-throttle-f1 – Same tactic here.
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
30th January 2014, 15:19
It’s not good signs coming from Red Bull and it’s at quite a crucial time as there is limited opportunity for development due to the constrained testing schedule of recent years, so you want to maximise every opportunity you have for track running.
That said, the ones I now truly fear for are Lotus: should they encounter similar problems to that which have befallen the attending Renault runners at Jerez then they will be in a perilous situation in terms of pre-season preparation.
Not of course that they have (relatively speaking) lost much ground to their engine counterparts, but this may be a circumstance of postponement of issues. However, maybe they can simply avoid troubles altogether and let Red Bull take the brunt of the teething problems!
Timothy Katz (@timothykatz)
30th January 2014, 15:24
When is the next test? How long have Red Bull got to work the problems out?
Sri Harsha (@harsha)
30th January 2014, 15:32
Test 2: Feb 19-22
Test 3: Feb 27-March 2
RBR have 3 weeks to sort this problems out and as far as i know they haven’t had any shake down test which might be useful for them if they want to use it now
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
30th January 2014, 15:33
Besides tomorrow obviously the first Bahrain test day is the 19th of February (so just under 3 weeks) @timothykatz.
Timothy Katz (@timothykatz)
30th January 2014, 17:10
Thanks! @vettel1 and @harsha
I expect them to do some straight line testing and a couple of ‘filming days’ between now and Feb 19.
Estesark (@estesark)
30th January 2014, 15:43
Sorry if this has been posted before.
Read it aloud: RB10. “Red Bull Are Beaten”!
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 16:12
@estesark
I posted the exact same thing as you, but I got it from F1Fanatic’s twitter page instead!
David not Coulthard (@)
30th January 2014, 16:29
Now that I’ve understood the joke……..let me save my face and say that ten can be pronounced 2 different ways that give each take of the pronounciation different meanings….:(
crr917 (@crr917)
30th January 2014, 16:47
RB are bitten? They’ll get a rabies vaccine and be fine. Hopefully Renault will get one, too.
medicine_man (@vettel81)
30th January 2014, 16:12
Rumour has it that Dietrich Mateschitz is already negotiating with Mercedes. Maybe for 2015 ?
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 16:16
@vettel81
With what role?
medicine_man (@vettel81)
30th January 2014, 16:22
No idea – he may impels Renault :) or just a naughty conspiracy theory.
Nick (@npf1)
30th January 2014, 16:22
I see my wild speculation in the forum’s Silly Season thread is catching on..
Corrado (@)
30th January 2014, 16:29
Gooooood ! I hope RBR won’t be a title contender this year. I had enough of RBR/Vettel !
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 16:43
Hypothetically speaking, if the Renault powerplant did turn out to be very underpowered/unreliable compared to Mercedes and Ferrari, what would happen? Tough luck for Renault teams, or would they be allowed to change and update the engine?
Mayank (@mjf1fan)
30th January 2014, 17:28
I asked the same question yesterday at F1F live chat and got a good answer for it. Yes teams can change their engines but wont it be too costly for a mid season change? Also they would have to make modifications in their chasis for the new engine. So I really doubt any team will be considering changing engine mid season.
Steven (@steevkay)
30th January 2014, 17:31
My understanding is that engine development is either not restricted this season, or has much fewer restrictions, with increasing restrictions after each season. I think after 5 years it will once again be frozen (and who knows, by that point another formula may be introduced). It’s much more in depth than that, but basically, they have about 5 years to further develop the engine, and there’s probably going to be restrictions on software/mapping, use of exotic materials, etc.
SennaPart2
30th January 2014, 16:45
If the RB10 is indeed not a good car, then lets see where vettel will be finishing races….as Alonso said one time, if his car is average and he is finishing 7th in the race race then his championships will be haunting him. people will then clearly see that his championships were purely a result of his superior car.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
30th January 2014, 16:46
I’m far from a Vettel fan, but even I wouldn’t go that far.
SennaPart2
30th January 2014, 16:58
Well may be not ‘purely’ but I am not afraid to say that I honestly think that the RebBull has been on a very superior run in both qualifying and races in the last couple of years. I am not a racing driver but i dont think there is anything specularly special about a driver winning races but has a car that consistently open up the gap to an incredible 2 seconds in the first lap. Why do u think Newey and Horner already appear very bitter in interviews….they clearly see that they have lost advantage. Yes, it may be too early to say but, let us see their true colors compared to how they treated Webber as if Vettel was the best thing next to fresh air.
Nick (@npf1)
30th January 2014, 17:11
Sometimes I really wonder if Vettel-haters have an immense disrespect for Mark Webber as well. Or have I forgotten about all the wins Webber took in 2013?
David-A (@david-a)
30th January 2014, 20:58
2013’s record breaking run was the combination of car AND driver. Look at where guys like Massa and Webber were, in relation to guys like Alonso and Vettel.
tmax (@tmax)
30th January 2014, 17:42
Alonso lives in his little Narcissist bubble…. that is fine. Don’t give too much weightage to that. Tomorrow if he starts winning in a fast car, he will start saying that it requires his “Samurai” talent to ensure people win in a good car. He might suggest “Look how other people screw up even when they have good car !!! ” He will say that he is still unique because he makes sure that he will not screw up in a good car.
In Alonso’s short term memory he does not remember that Vettel won his first race in a Torro Rosso even before a Red Bull has won a race. It took another year and a Vettel for Red Bull to win their first race !!!
tmax (@tmax)
30th January 2014, 17:28
The RB10 now reminds me of the Ferrari of 2005. It seems like Horner/Newey was given special instructions to develop this as a non starter to improve the show just like Double points, DRS et all !!!!
iAltair (@)
30th January 2014, 17:43
In before Vettel smashes 2014 and make all other drivers like jokers.
HK (@me4me)
30th January 2014, 18:02
Redbull brought this upon themselves really. They spended way to much effort on the RB9 last year. At the last couple of races I was always wondering why Newey was there.. he should be long gone, being in MK working on the new car. The late design-start of their 2014 car has had obvious effects. They are nowhere near the level of Mclaren, Mercedes and Ferrari at the moment. Especially the Mclaren, you see immediately they have spend a great amount of effort into designing and building it. The RB10 simply is not ready for testing yet, but they’re forcing it.. This, and the fact that Renault screwed up as well, is giving the trouble they are in at the moment. Exactly how the Renault powertrain could be so bad is a mystery to me. You’d expect it to function pretty well by now, after all the dyno testing. But watching videos of the Torro Rosso go round, and it’s engine stuttering and blasting flames out of the exhaust, it’s obvious something is wrong. Redbull are a great team, but this time i think they’re screwed for the season.
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
30th January 2014, 19:05
No chance. They’ll win.
JamieFranklinF1 (@jamiefranklinf1)
30th January 2014, 20:15
@Full-throttle-F1 – Please. Stop. This “I watched Red Bull win for four years, so now I think they will always win” attitude is getting really boring now. Yes, they’re a good team, but you don’t need to comment on every other person’s comment saying that they will win this year.
Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1)
31st January 2014, 9:28
@jamiefranklinf1
I’m just saving you from the inevitable disappointment. You cant get anything from a Jerez test.
Mayank (@mjf1fan)
30th January 2014, 19:53
I’m wishing that Red Bull and Renault get their act together by Melbourne and hoping that we could see a finale like 2010 where we have Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, Lewis, Rosberg fighting for WDC and on top of that the double point system for last race (although I’m against this double point system). Things will be entertaining.
iAltair (@)
31st January 2014, 2:30
How do you even know that their car is in trouble despite all the technical issues?
There was almost no lap times to compare.
Rockie (@rockie)
30th January 2014, 20:46
After reading most of the comments here you can tell most fans fear Vettel and not Redbull, majority of fans say mercedes is best placed to win the championships, but still hope Redbull don’t sort their problems.
This leads to the conclusion that they feel the other drivers are not capable of winning as long as Vettel has a competitive car.
Timothy Katz (@timothykatz)
30th January 2014, 21:28
No, I think that’s drawing a conclusion too far.
‘Fear’ is too strong a word; perhaps you could substitute the phrase ‘are totally turned off by’ instead. And if you read the stream at the top of this page started by Senna2, there is the assertion that Vettel’s abilities have been flattered by the Red Bull’s technical superiority. Reading that thread, you could assert that ‘most people who post comments’ feel that Vettel is only capable of winning if he has dominant car.
Me, I think it’s midway between the two, and nothing like the cut and dried conclusion you come to.
But tell me, is your first language German? I have noticed that several German business colleagues use the word ‘fear’ where the English word ‘worry’ would be better.
David-A (@david-a)
31st January 2014, 5:55
@timothykatz
Despite probably being right about @rockie gong a bit far, four people commented there, @SennaPart2, @Kingshark, @tmax and myself. Only SennaPart2 felt that way.
Rockie (@rockie)
31st January 2014, 17:16
“‘Fear’ is too strong a word; perhaps you could substitute the phrase ‘are totally turned off by’ instead.”
As a Vettel fan, I maintain its fear, since Vettel joined F1 full time no driver, driving either a TR or Redbull has beaten him.
People claim he needs a dominant car to for argument sake I agree with you in a dominant car both Alonso and Hamilton have failed.
In ’07 Alonso was the same age as Vettel last year can you honestly tell me you can compare Alonso to Vettel ?
Dafffid (@dafffid)
31st January 2014, 12:20
Fortunately, with double points at the last race, they can afford to skip the first one… [sarcasm]