McLaren Complaining Again!
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Why can’t they just concentrate on their own car instead of complaining about others!! It is getting beyond a joke and probably has been for years!
I like Christian and Sebs tongue in cheek comments!
Yeh, a higher rake is why the endplates visibly get closer to the ground as the car builds up speed…
And we have a thread for this already: https://www.racefans.net/forum/topic.php?id=1395
Thank god someone else except me has noticed that Mclaren are always complaining.
People say Ferrari are the ones who can’t keep their mouth shut.
Mclaren and Button could complain for England.
Like team like driver.
It’s the par for the course that teams complain about each other, and make sure they all met the regs. It’s part of the sport.
Red Bull, however, in the form of Horner, likes to turn the hose back at McLaren and reveal or blame them for the ‘complaints’. Otherwise you wouldn’t know anything about it, unless Horner pointed the finger.
Button’s comments are just that. He didn’t complain, he just said he heard something, but it didn’t look in to it. Remember Button gets quizzed by the BBC and journo’s, who will always be asking for opinion on things he perhaps would not otherwise have seen. It’s good journalism to do so.
What goes on in F1, and what comes out in the press in F1, are very different things. Horner’s playing his cards pretty well, by alluding to McLaren everytime something like this comes up, but actually, who knows where that cames from.
Also, a point to note, Horner and Whitmarsh don’t hate each other, it’s not personal, they get on well, as evidenced by the sessions last year on the BBC where they were laughing, joking, hugging etc etc. So part of this is the press trying dirty rivalry, and part is just the way F1 works.
I’ve not seen a direct quote from McLaren complaining about the front wing yet, just Horner’s comments. Anyone care to enlighten me?
completely agree with Hare.
‘complaining’ so to speak, is part of being an F1 team. If one team is bending the rules then McLaren or any other team have every right to complain. What Red Bull is doing may well be legal in the strict interpretation of the rules but a flexible front wing is not what the rules were designed to create.
Hahahaha!! Pot, Kettle and Black come to mind here. I am sick and tired of people moaning about the moaning!! And heres me moaning haha!! Let all just be quiet and as sw6569 says, it’s part and parcel of F1!!
P.S. it does flex though ;) hehe
The irritaiting thing, apart from the hypocracy on Redbulls part, is the Horners attempt to explain away the advantage, or legality or whatever. We can all see the front wing flexing, rake angles or not, to suggest that it isn’t happening, or that it isn’t against the spirit of the regulation, especially after Horner had a hell of a lot to say about the F-Duct is insulting to the veiwers intelligence.
Definitely agree with Hare.
Sometimes especially from the BBC website the smallest story is played as a game changer. Apparently Ferrari have to get their title hopes back on track….after one race?! Its a short track.
The paddock seems a friendly place to be, sure there are rivalries about but by and large everyone gets on. Would be hard not to as they see each other every other week soem of the time.
Oooh man, that’s only recent, only since 08 have paddock tensions really started to cool. Before, especially the teams at the top, properly despised each other, Ferrari and McLaren merrily hated each other, Renault had it in for McLaren, Ferrari didn’t like Williams at all, neither did McLaren, who were in turn hated back.
The drivers usually got on okay, but certainly not always, but the mechanics, team principles etc, not even a little bit of love lost.
We can all see the front wing flexing, rake angles or not, to suggest that it isn’t happening, or that it isn’t against the spirit of the regulation, especially after Horner had a hell of a lot to say about the F-Duct is insulting to the veiwers intelligence.
re : Spirit of the regulations.
This spirit only really exists in the minds of people like us, and seems to me to be touted about on occasion when teams feel a little hard done by, and want to throw their toys about in the hope that it effects some change.
Reality is, it’s a technical sport, with technical minds at work. If you define boundaries in technical specifications, technical people will find technical technicalities that work to their advantage.
My point is, spirit is not black and white. Rules are black and white, and they allow room for interpretation by their inherent inadequacies. F1 engineering is a very clinical art.
We’re not talking about laws of humanity here, where the spirit of the law is what is trying to be conveyed by the law.
This is a group of 12 teams, thrown in to a box, and told to compete with each other. They’re going to find ways to out think each other. This is the game, it’s part of the thrill. It’s at the essence of humans competing against each other. F1 or Scrapheap Challenge makes no difference.
Re : Horner hypocrisy on F-Duct
We see this amongst the top teams often. Ferrari, or Red Bull, or McLaren or Renault. They all have their time of complaining and raising awareness of other teams strategies. The powers that be then are obligated to look in to these claims, perform tests, inconvenience the teams.
Occasionally of course, these cars are found to be illegal, or cheating. Then those clamors that were raised were fully justified, and rewarded.
So conclusion? Drop 12 teams in a ring, and tell them to scrap it out? Expect some tactical cries from those involved.
Good sportsmanship :
Good sportsmanship however is shown up, at the end of the year, when teams congratulate each other on their successes. McLaren and Whitmarsh congratulated Red Bull, and that goes a long way to showing up the team spirit in which they compete in F1.
To me, McLaren are artists and experts at racing, which involved building a car, and the shoulder barging that comes with it. Red Bull seems the same way.
However, at the end of the year, when the mutual respect shows through, that really highlights the quality of the character of the teams involved.
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