Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)

Posted on | Author Keith Collantine

Nine drivers have been handed time penalties after the European Grand Prix.

All the drivers investigated for the speed behind the safety car received five-second penalties: Jenson Button, Nico H?Ô??lkenberg, Rubens Barrichello, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Sebastien Buemi and Pedro de la Rosa.

Timo Glock also got a 20 second penalty for ignoring blue flags.

The penalties promote Fernando Alonso ahead of Buemi and Nico Rosberg claims the final point instead of Pedro de la Rosa.

Update: the stewards explained the punishments as follows:

The Stewards received a report from the Race Director regarding [the cars] failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the Safety Car was deployed,

The Stewards met with the [drivers and team representatives], considered the evidence and decided that this was a breach of Article 40.7 of the 2010 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Article 40.7 of the sporting regulations says:

All competing cars must then reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the ?ˇďÚ╝?˘SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED?ˇďÚ╝?ě message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the first time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.

Nico Rosberg escaped a penalty for a similar infringement in the Japanese Grand Prix last year when the stewards decided he had not been able to see the target lap time.

Here is the revised finishing order of the race:

Pos. # Driver Team
1 5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull
2 2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren
3 1 Jenson Button McLaren
4 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams
5 11 Robert Kubica Renault
6 14 Adrian Sutil Force India
7 23 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber
8 8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
9 16 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso
10 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes
11 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari
12 22 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber
13 17 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso
14 12 Vitaly Petrov Renault
15 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes
16 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India
17 25 Lucas di Grassi Virgin
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin
19 20 Karun Chandhok HRT
20 21 Bruno Senna HRT
21 18 Jarno Trulli Lotus

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151 comments on “Ten drivers get penalties, Alonso and Rosberg gain extra points (Updated)”

  1. You should investigate in an article how come so many drivers were able to pass the ferraris despite delta lap times. Bug in the rules?

  2. Maybe part of the problem is that there are too many rules. When an attempt is made to legislate each and ever thing that can possibly happen during a race this sort of inconsistancy is bond to happen. Let’s return to racing on the track not in the stewards room

  3. so they were punished for driving too slow behind a SC…. oookay, surely one of them slowing would force the people being to slow aswell? making Button more to blame than Buemi?

  4. mildertduck
    27th June 2010, 19:28

    This penalty wasn’t for going too fast behind the safety car (clearly a safety risk) – http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/on_event.aspx indicates that it was for “failing to stay above the minimum lap time” – i.e. travelling too slowly… how bizzare, do they get a penalty if they have to stop on the track to let (say) an ambulance cross it when the safety car is out?

    1. just weird wording I think:

      Lap time around 1:38

      SC -> Minimum lap time i.e. 1:50, they have to stay above 1:50

  5. I dont understand…isnt the SC suppoed to pick up the leader? They used to wave everyone thru until the leader came up, then everyone formed, same position, until the SC exited the track???? On replay, it sure looked as if the SC picked up the Ferrari’s??? If this was done correctly, why wasnt Ham and Alonso both back there same position as b4 the SC???? Whether 8 and 9th or 2nd 3rd…they shouldve been same position….Mabey someone smarter than me can clarify this….I mean, whether you like Ferrari or not, it was rather blatant…and in watching F1 for 30 years, Ive never seen a 5 second penalty…No matter who you cheer for, this race was a mess..

    1. i would like to understand this as well.

    2. Agree, they should of been waved through… otherwise if Hamilton had stayed behind as well Vettel would of been a lap ahead of everyone…

    3. Me too, I would like to understand what the rules really are. Something is very messy indeed.

  6. Alonso Follower
    27th June 2010, 19:47

    Have not commented here in a while, but this is really too much. Hey, has anybody analyzed the end results?

    Look who gained the most benefit from not following the rules. Look who lost more.

    This is a pattern that is repeating all the time, and I’m becoming very, very tired of seeing always the same. Look, there’s no question that Hamilton is a top driver, among the best of the grid. He has proved many times, including winning a championship, that he has the ability and mastery necessary to compete.

    But all the time we see the same: Hamilton does something fishy and he always passes unscathed, or with a symbolic penalty (┬┐reprimand? what a joke). But today we’ve seen something even worse, a penalty that did not meant absolutely any difference in the final result and took 20 laps to be applied.

    This is too much, FIA and al can end the championship tomorrow and give Lewis the trophy. Nobody doubts at this time that they will do whatever is needed to ensure that the championship ends with Lewis at the top.

    And Alonso is completely right in saying that this only empowers the drivers to skip the rules, after all, they get better results than the ones that follow them.

    What I cannot understand is how the britons, usually know for their respect of the sport and its rules, are still supporting Hamilton. I’ve seen in other sports incredible examples of Britih fair play, yet Formula 1 for some reason is different.

    Watching F1 is becoming more and more a waste of time. Not because my preferred driver does not win, which is already a factor, but because the “sport” part of it is becoming irrelevant.

    1. “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”. I’m unsure if HAM is to blame too much in this case. Then again, people seem quite lenient in judging him. He’s piling up ‘small’ mistakes and misjudgements (Vettel has a tendency to do the same though) and gets no more than symbolic penalties.

      Stewarding was given a lot of praise at the start of the season, but I’m starting to have doubts as the races go by.

    2. Perhaps Mclaren pay for acting lessons for their proteges also?…Lewis seems to be getting away with an awful lot of “mis demeanours” while Michael Schumacher has to be heavily penalised everytime.
      By the way I am a British citizen of the old school,that is we expect BRITISH FAIR PLAY ON AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD.

  7. For so many cars to not make the correct time (too slow?) someone seriously messed up in race control.
    These are the best drivers in the world and 9 of them couldn’t match the correct lap time… was the time / range realistically possible?

    1. At gpupdate it is reported that Jensen got the instruction just before the pit lane entrance and could have done the max time allowed.

      1. That should read “…could NOT have done …”

        Keith any news on that edit button?

  8. The stewards’ explanation explains absolutely nothing. I want to know where in the Sporting Regulations allows the stewards to issue a 5-second penalty for anything whatsoever…

    1. Yes, on the live blog I said I believed the minimum was 20 seconds so were do 5 seconds come from…. ‘saving face’

    2. Isn’t there a rule in the ISC which allows it? The Sporting Regulations defines a set of penalties for certain ‘Incidents’, but this kind of thing is not included as one of those.

  9. I was quite surprised to see only 5-second penalty and that really sends out the question why hasn’t that small penalties given earlier? That referring to cases when reversing order if possible, such as Schumacher/Alonso at Monaco.

    But, in this case I think it’s something like this for these drivers. Driver going at 250 km/h when they get a message of SC. Of course drivers at that point have no idea why. Driver takes the “SC mode” and minimum time is something like five seconds for 200 metres. Even with reaction time you would probably use most of that distance, and basically avoiding penalty would need lockup braking.

  10. charlie gass
    27th June 2010, 20:26

    5 seconds? ahahahah a joke? ferrari listen me pls…you should cheat

    1. none of these drivers gained even 5 secs by driving SLOWER than required under SC. This seems more of a fine-able offence (due to safety) than a time penalty

      1. They weren’t going slower than that required under the Safety Car – they were going quicker than permitted. If they’d been going slower, then they would have broken the “maximum-time” rule, not the “minimum-time” rule.

        Quite a few people have got confused by this and I blame FIA jargon. How do they expect their regulations to be followed if they write them in such obscure terms?

        1. yeah, I realised this… no delete button though ;)

  11. I have to agree, maybe reluctantly, with the Ferrari press release and Alonso’s remarks; this is scandalous.

    A) There is nothing in the Formula One Sporting Regulations that give the stewards any discretion over time penalties – it’s either 20 or 30 seconds depending on whether it replaces a “drive through” or a “ten second penalty”. They were right (or at least respected the rulebook) in waiting for after the race because multiple cars were involved. All this is in Rule 16.
    B) They do have discretion for grid penalties the following race, but decided not to use this.
    C) Rules 40.8 and 40.9 (get the race leader first behind the safety car by waving past) are perhaps not totally clear nor fair but it is obvious that in this race it had enormous effects on the results (although Schumacher’s whinging is not justified under 40.10 “safety car and line of cars” reads “and” not “or”, so the light should not have gone green between the SC and the line.)

    Conclusion: By giving a McLaren the minimum penalty and delaying it until he could safely get back out without losing P2, then by giving less than the minimum to others, the discrimination against (at least) Ferrari is pretty obvious. The stewards are, once again, putting the sport in disrepute.

    1. A
      Thanks for reciting the rule, which is informative

      You can ask him yourself but I reckon Alonso and his team would not have been satisfied with a grid penalty for Hamilton either.

      It is not clear that the target-breaking of these cars had an “enourmous” effect on where Ferrari placed. As others have pointed out, as the SC came in on their in laps, it was no case of mendacity or any great advantage.

      Your answer presumes that the Stewards were responbile for, or oblighed to take into account, the fact that Kobayashi was holding up Button and that behind them, all of those cars were slow as molassas. What if Kobayashi somehow took out Button and Kubica, of they all had engine failures, should Hamilton’s penalty have been worse yet?

      It seems some want to have it both ways. You want the stewards to amp up the penalty when the black-letter law does not suit your guy, but at the same time, in the same race, throw the book at another guy even though the punishment would be worse than the crime.

      1. If Ferrari hadn’t told the stewards to look at Hamilton’s delta-time first (which is the impression I got from Alonso’s radio) then maybe the stewards might have had a chance of doing something about the overtaking infraction earlier. They can only investigate one thing at a time, and once they’d spotted how many people had really gone too quickly before encountering the Safety Car…

    2. Here,here!!.I am rapidly going off Mclaren,there is something seriously wrong in presenting this changed image ~~ of a once squeaky clean team ~~ to the World audience…for want of a better word “SLEAZY Mclaren” springs to mind.

  12. It was the minimum they could do to get Alonso into the points! LOL

    1. Alonso already was in the points (in 9th). The minimum would have been to do nothing at all (which technically the stewards were more entitled to do than the action they actually took).

  13. Lehonardeuler
    27th June 2010, 22:45

    Maybe a 5 sec penalty could sound reasonable, but it’s not on the rules.
    A penalty is not supposed to make things even: that would assume the stewards have the knowledge and power to say what’s “fair” and “compensate” for the consequences of drivers actions – There’s no way that could be fair.

    So that’s the part of the 20 or 30 sec penalty: You know what’s coming if you try to get away with it, and makes you think twice. The most important thing of laws is to prevent, not to solve.
    Penalties are somewhat “standard” to avoid these situations. The stewards thought that 5 sec was fair, when that fair action is not even on the rules… So it’s not fair at all.
    These penalties make teams and drivers take penalties as a part of the strategy, because, at most, the stewards would take away what they gained. So a penalty is a win-or-tie solution, isn’t it? Fairness taken away, what would you choose if you had to win?

    Also, in the last month it was decided that if drivers could have in-sport issues for speeding in the streets. But speeding with a SC on track is less relevant than that?

    I doubt I’ll see F1 for the next couple of months.

  14. Happy days for Alonso then. Nailed Hamilton bang to rights (though he did maintain 2nd place) and the trounced Buemi. Ah, but he did get overtaken by a rookie in a Sauber on the second to last.


    Not sure the Spanish back pages will waste much column on him tomorrow then.

  15. ok listen you guys here is the facts.

    first off it was a catch 22,

    why because if you happened to be between the safety car and the pit entrance when safety car was deployed, from that point on anyone who dived into the pits would jump the those cars in front. due to them been held up by the safety car.

    you didn’t need to speed all you needed was to be told to get into the pits not a drivers fault, it just happened to catch Ferrari out.

    the rules need to be changed so you at least do one lap behind the safety car before pitting, then it would be fair on everyone.

  16. Did anyone notice also the way M Shue was held at pit exit with a red light? It was red, turned green then back to red and held him there for quite awhile….

    Im also amazed that Hamilton has a button to press to make him go faster 8)

    I thought Todt would bring stablization to the fia…

    Today the stewards made it look like a joke…

  17. A 5 second panalty??? Of course! Kobayashi had a good race, but ruined the race of the people behind!

  18. Boo Hoo Iam Alonso at Home, Please help Me as Iam so busy Crying, Absolute Joke, Iam still not sure whether Its F1 being the Joke or the Joke becoming F1 . And Five seconds, I ask ya!

  19. Long.Beach.wants.F1
    28th June 2010, 2:31

    5 seconds?! either they want to send a message and hand out a grid penalty or at least a huge fine. 20 seconds wouldn’t have mad that much of a difference

    i bet Alonso is fuming with this ruling!

  20. The rule is that, when the S C is deployed, all cars should stick to the “delta” time automatically sent to their cars FOR A FULL LAP BEHIND THE S C. As webber’s accident happened when he was well behind in 17th place, the cars in front of him had almost completed their lap at full racing speed before the “delta” time was transmitted and therefore had no chance to reduce speed to comply with the required time (other than stopping for a fag break beside the track). This, I think, is why the stewards were a bit lenient – perhaps adding 5 secs. brings them up, in time, to the “delta” time.

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