Horner hits back over Webber criticism

Korean Grand Prix

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner described claims that driver Mark Webber tried to take one of his championship rivals out during the Korean Grand Prix as “absurd”.

After crashing into a wall on lap 19 of the race Webber’s car swung into the path of Nico Rosberg.

The Mercedes driver was running fourth at the time in between Webber’s championship rivals Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.

Gerhard Berger was quoted saying it was “clear” Webber hoped to take another driver out after crashing during the Korean Grand Prix, adding “He took out Rosberg, but it was the wrong one. I think in his mind he would have preferred Alonso or Hamilton.”

Horner told the Daily Telegraph:

As with every incident in Formula One, opinions will always be made without all the facts. Just to be absolutely clear ?ǣ Mark?s intention was not to take out another driver after his crash in the Korean Grand Prix and it?s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

After Mark?s impact with the wall, it was clear on the TV and from the data that his car was badly damaged. However, the natural and immediate instinct of any competitive driver is not to give up and to keep going.

In the atrocious conditions, Mark made the snap decision to continue as every driver would in that situation ?ǣ it?s absurd to suggest that Mark would ever deliberately take out another driver.
Christian Horner

Rosberg also questioned Webber’s actions during the crashsaying it was “crazy” of him to allow his car to roll back across the track.

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205 comments on Horner hits back over Webber criticism

  1. When I saw Webber reverse back across the track, my first initial reaction was he was trying to take out Hamilton (unaware Rosberg had passed him).

    Looking back on it, I’m not sure. I agree that where he initially crashes is not ideal however reversing along the track is 10 times worse in my opinion. I don’t think he was thinking about taking any driver out though, but just made a mistake in where to park it.

  2. drezone said on 28th October 2010, 8:26

    Let me guess if this is right. Webber leading championship in horrid conditions choreographs to lose it around an off camber corner and plan to hit the wall and hope the car is still driveable enough to go back across the track and take out opponents.

    Wouldn’t this have just allowed Vettel to have the edge going into the last two races and hinder his chances?

    Has anyone sensible thought of the possibility that he made an error a lap earlier and was losing time to Vettel with Alonso closing in and took the corner a little wrong and had an ACCIDENT and panicked when he realised he was off and tried to keep on racing as most race drivers do and probably didn’t realise the car was as damaged as it was. hmmm.

    And Berger. where have you been for a while. what a great way to get back into the spotlight. noticed you mentioned great drivers like Senna, Schumacher and Alonso. Wonder if any of these have blatantly taken off other drivers to claim drivers titles. maybe you’re upset that Webber may win one and you never did.

    • Platine said on 28th October 2010, 11:18

      er, yeah, of course dropping it on the wet kerb was not planned.

      The subsequent deliberate crash is the issue here.

  3. The moment Mark came off the wall he knew his right suspension was damaged and he might as well make the most of the incident by accelerating backwards and cause some collateral damage to one or more of his rivals.
    It’s just another example of his “over my dead body” mentality he’d shown in Turkey and Singapore,not only remarkably scoring twice 15 points ,but also getting 2 close competitors DNF’ed.
    I’m not putting the blame on him for those 2 racing incidents,I just want to point out the guy has been playing “all in”in tricky conditions even with a properly functioning car!
    Alonso should not be lauded for avoiding a collision with a car sliding away from him and the racing line and only impacting the wall after he had passed.
    He should just be counting his blessings he wasn’t in Nico’s situation who didn’t stand a decent chance.
    I’m just wondering if Schumacher would get punished if he had pulled off the same trick ?
    He did get demoted to the back of the grid for hampering the other racers at the end of qualifying in Monaco 2006,also without full proof evidence of intention…

    • ‘Accelerating backwards’ hey. In turkey Webber gave Vettel enough room to do what he needed to. Webber would have to be retarded to just hand it to him. Vettel was just greedy. And in Singapore, Webber hit his braking marker perfectly and Hamilton came across his front. Webber cannot brake any harder or just disappear. In all of these situations the most professional people were in position penalise Webber though they did not. You obviously know more with your racing expertise.

  4. Lenny said on 28th October 2010, 9:28

    My intital thoughts were not good about how it looked but I am a Webber fan and decided to think the best of him.

    After looking a little further I would like to think perhaps that by the time he got his hands back on the steering wheel the rear of the car was already pointing into the middle of the track. At the speed he was travelling, had he swung the wheel back around and veered back toward the wall he may have in fact spent more time on the racing line and caused more danger.

    Thoughts on this theory?

  5. ben0058 (@ben0058) said on 28th October 2010, 10:34

    wow i cant believe this.
    1. the conditions were terrible, on a new track that was very very slippery.
    2. Webber made a genuine error.
    3. after hitting the wall it is clear webbers car is badly damaged. on the left rear suspension.
    4. webbers front right wheel is raised off the ground due to the damage to his left rear suspension.
    5. after contact with the wall webbers dashboard is like a cristmas tree sujesting the cars gearbox was in neutral or broken.
    6. people say webber speed up this is imposible beacuse the car is not in reverse gear.
    7. webber after initaly sliding back on track steers left in an attempt to prevent the car rolling backwards but due to the damage to the left rear and the fact his right front is not touching the ground means he just keeping heading backwards.
    8. thier is no way webber meant to continue across the track like he did. the damage to his car contributed significantly.
    any questions i think that wraps it up?

  6. Some of these excuses for Webber are just plain stupid and Some people even say Rosbergs fault, at the end of the day we dont know why he even came back across the track it looked like he could have rolled backwards or stopped completely but he decided to try and correct himself probably not knowing just how severe the damage was to the rear. Its a stupid decision since the race was still young and the field wasnt spread out very much. But I dont think he intentionally thought to himself ” let me take out another title runner”

  7. Platine said on 28th October 2010, 11:08

    He doth protest too much! How could he be so sure of the motives of MW in the heat of the moment! Busted!

    It is so obvious that Webber tried to take out what he assumed would be a rival.

    Horner says he was trying to carry on… What with no suspension or front wing?

    Why would he keep going backwards, I assume he would have spun the car round the right way at some point? And maybe steered away from the second wall?

    I make it four avoidable collisions that Webber has had , three with Hamilton, and one with a silver car having just taken Hamiltons track position.

    Webber is a dirty driver, and not particularly talented.

    If Rosberg drove for RB he and they would already be WC.

    Rosberg is an outstanding driver, his time will come.

    If MW is WC it will be the lamest chmpion ever!

    • David BR said on 28th October 2010, 11:57

      Put it this way, if I was Hamilton, still fighting for the championship and about to pass Webber, I’d give him a lot of track room. Just to be on the safe side.

    • Webber beat Rosberg, his team mate for Williams, in 2006. Your theory is mud. Also, if he is so ‘lame’ why is he bashing his way more fancied German team mate. And lastly, Webber is the cleanest, friendliest driver going around. All of the drivers like him.

    • Also, Nico Rosberg just happens to be son of former champion, Keke. Daddy has obviously set him up well as a manufactured seat occupier. Ralf Schumacher comes to mind at this moment, and we all know what raw talent he had.

  8. Lenny said on 28th October 2010, 11:26

    Your posts are increasingly lacking credibility Platine. I am not looking forward to the next one you post.

    • Platine said on 28th October 2010, 15:23

      Your comments begin by saying “I am a Webber fan and decided to think the best of him.”, and that you are basically looking for excuses! You are not exactly credible either.

      The fact that Rosberg seems to agree with me lends me rather a lot of credibility.

      As does the fact he clearly steers across the track.

      • Lenny said on 28th October 2010, 22:12

        You will note all of my ‘excuses’ or not excuses at all. Hence explicit justification of the fact that ‘i would like to think that this is what happened'; that this is but a ‘theory’. And I would strongly argue that wanting to think the best of someone does indeed hold credibilty.

        Now, allow me to turn your attention to but one of your responses in which the follwing ridiculous statements were made, all of which hold no credibiltity whatsoever:

        “It is so obvious that Webber tried to take out what he assumed would be a rival.

        “Webber is a dirty driver, and not particularly talented.

        “If Rosberg drove for RB he and they would already be WC.

        “If MW is WC it will be the lamest chmpion ever!”

      • Rosberg agrees with you??? What ever you’re smoking, I want some.

        All of your comments are completely biased and offensive. You keep forcing opinion without factual backing, and it’s becoming irritating for this audience.

  9. antonyob said on 28th October 2010, 11:32

    but if it had been Schumacher…..! and only because he has previous would you consider it potentially devious.

    Its so against Webbers character that i find it impossible to believe. He may have made a wrong decision but to think he would risk himself by rolling across the track sideways is beyond anything even MS would consider. It sounds like something Lauda would say, im suprised at Berger. ( btw im not a Webber fanboy)

    As for the guy who said it was Rosbergs fault because he ran into Webber. Im lost for words, a staggeringly stupid comment.

    Still intrigue feeds F1 like seals feed polar bears

  10. Ronman said on 28th October 2010, 12:00

    i think berger is in on the psychological game against webber…

  11. antonyob said on 28th October 2010, 12:17

    Be nice to see the in-car footage of Webber, if a front wheel is bobbling round the nose then it looks bad. Plus telemmetry would give an indication of his actions. But id still look at a mans character first.

  12. Mike-e said on 28th October 2010, 12:54

    I said this debate would ring on……..

    In my personal opinion, given the fact I can remember him running into Hamilton twice wrecklessly in Australia through desperation to get past and impress his home crowd, and then again in Singapore which seemed either ridiculously stupid or deliberate, I wouldn’t put it past him he would try it again here seeing the championship slipping away after he hit the wall. Schumacher did it in 94, and with how safe the cars are now….. I’d probably do it to in the ‘heat of the moment’

  13. Great debate!

    Did he? Did’nt he?
    Only problem is, only Mark Webber really knows the answer…

  14. Paulo said on 28th October 2010, 14:00

    Webber’s ‘move’ after crashing is no worse than Sutil’s in Singapore in 2009 where he spun then tried to rejoin and hit Heidfeld, and he only got a token fine and a telling off by the Stewards

  15. certainly he will not win a championship 2010 due to his actions! shameful if he does winning this year.

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