Unbeatable Red Bull claim front row in Valencia

2011 European GP qualifying

Mark Webber, Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton, Valencia, 2011

Mark Webber, Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton, Valencia, 2011

The change in the engine mapping rules didn’t stop Red Bull dominating qualifying again.

The pair locked out the front row of the grid with Lewis Hamilton third ahead of Fernando Alonso.

Q1

With the soft tyres offering a significant reduction in lap time compared to the mediums, the front-running drivers had to make some difficult decisions to avoid using a set of softs in Q1.

Felipe Massa opted to do a run on soft tyres and ended up quickest of all as a result.

Team mate Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber took the risky move of doing a second run on medium tyres, but were able to scrape through despite slipping through the order.

But they earned the benefit of saving a fresh set of soft tyres, as did Sebastian Vettel and, surprisingly, the two McLaren driver,s who had struggled on the medium tyres in practice.

It was the ‘usual suspects’ who failed to get through to Q2 – both the Lotuses, Virgins and HRTS plus, once again, Jaime Alguersuari’s Toro Rosso.

Drivers eliminated in Q1

18 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’40.232
19 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’41.664
20 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1’42.234
21 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’42.553
22 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’43.584
23 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’43.735
24 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1’44.363

Q2

Sebastian Vettel went straight to the top of the times with his first lap on soft tyres. His effort was four-tenths of a second faster than the two closely-matched McLarens.

Fernando Alonso went fourth and was poised to improve his time when the red flags came out.

Pastor Maldonado had come to a stop with a technical problem on his Williams, and the session had to be stopped so the car could be recovered.

As Q2 restarted Vitaly Petrov and Sebastien Buemi were among the first out, having not done a time at the beginning of the session.

A late improvement by Adrian Sutil enabled him to knocked Petorv out of the last place in the top ten.

Paul di Resta was out-qualified for his team mate for the second time this year after a mistake in the final sector.

The other four drivers to be eliminated were Rubens Barrichello, Sebastien Buemi and the Sauber pair.

Drivers eliminated in Q2

11 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’39.068
12 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’39.422
13 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’39.489
14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.525
15 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’39.645
16 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’39.657
17 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’39.711

Q3

Vettel remained untouchable in the final part of qualifying, four-tenths of a second quicker than the McLaren drivers.

The Red Bulls, McLarens and Ferraris all did two runs but few improved with their second efforts – Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel all aborted their second laps.

Webber did improve and jumped up to take second on the grid alongside his team mate.

Nick Heidfeld and Adrian Sutil didn’t set times at all, preferring to save tyres, and will start on row five.

Top ten in Q3

1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’36.975
2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’37.163
3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.380
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’37.454
5 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’37.535
6 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’37.645
7 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’38.231
8 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’38.240
9 Nick Heidfeld Renault No time
10 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes No time

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160 comments on Unbeatable Red Bull claim front row in Valencia

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  1. ferranmclaren said on 25th June 2011, 14:15

    redbull yet again

    • Doance (@doance) said on 25th June 2011, 14:23

      vettel yet again. stop hogging pole position!

      • Doance (@doance) said on 25th June 2011, 14:24

        btw fantastic laps from vettel and webber. great stuff.

        • I doubt that, no offence to the redbull drivers but i dont think they deserve this.

          • Lemon (@lemon) said on 25th June 2011, 15:45

            +1, just because they are at the front doesn’t necessarily mean there laps were fantastic…although i’m not suggesting they weren’t fantastic

          • Mike said on 25th June 2011, 16:07

            Why not?

            It’s not like the team performances are random, Their team built that car to allow them to dominate. And that’s what they are doing.

        • Franz said on 25th June 2011, 16:34

          Quick laps for sure by the RBR boys, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call them fantastic. Their car certainly is fantastic though: anybody pay close attention to the replay of Vettel’s pole lap? He’s barely doing anything in the car! Not knocking young Vettel as a driver (especially since he consistently blows his teammate out of the water), but he’ll continue to be just smooth (& devastatingly quick) because the RB7 handles like it’s on rails… & IMO, you’d have to be an absolute clot to qualify outside of the front row with one. They’re COMFORTABLY a few tenths up (at least) on McLaren in qualy trim. Qualifying used to be a joyous affair for me… now, it’s not even worth watching anymore because I already know who’s gonna be on pole. Quite boring, to be honest. Great times for Red Bull fans, but for the rest of us it’s more like watching paint dry. Again though, not knocking them for it.

          • unocv12 said on 25th June 2011, 16:50

            Constantly blows his teammate out of the water?

            In Canada the gap between the two was less than what Webber lost by not having KERS for quali for a start and last year it was less than a tenth at many of the circuits including this very track.

            Interesting to see that Massa is once again less than 1 tenth shy of Alonso

          • There’s something not quite right about the way Vettel “consistently blows his team mate out of the water”.

            They were evenly matched last year and as Martin Brundle said, Webber is not lacking in pace as his fastest race laps show. So why the difference in quali?

            Also wasn’t there a feature (can’t remember where)that showed Vettel and Webber’s lap traces were identical?

            So how does Vettel manage to edge ahead? What’s going on here?

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th June 2011, 23:32

            Vettel is simply the better qualifier, and the naturally faster driver. That’s why he blows Webber out of the water. Fastest laps don’t matter so much when Mark’s having to push towards the end of a race on a light fuel tank against slower cars when for Vettel it’s already job done. And last year, when they were “evenly matched” Webber only finished ahead in 6 races, losing out by 14 points despite Vettel’s three lost wins to car failure.

      • Ben Curly said on 25th June 2011, 19:45

        I think that Seb is just better with DRS, he might be more daring then Webber, but he probably has a better hang of it. It’s a video game type of technology and he’s from the video game generation. He didn’t complain for having too many buttons, like many other drivers did. I think that’s the whole secret: Vettel is simply good with DRS. That, and the fact that Red Bulls have a really fast car.

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th June 2011, 20:10

          Remember that Mark is one of the tallest drivers and Seb one of the smallest, the ballast advantage alone that Seb enjoys is enough to explain the mostly hundredths of a second faster times he posts.

          • Ben Curly said on 26th June 2011, 11:48

            Huh? Hundredths? We are talking about qualifying times, where use of the DRS is free for all. Here are the qualifying time differences between Webber and Vettel so far:

            Melbourne 0,866
            Sepang 0,309
            Shanghai 0,794 (Webber didn’t make it to Q2, so it’s a Q1 difference)
            Istanbul 0,405
            Barcelona -0,2 (that’s the only time Webber was ahead in Q3)
            Monte Carlo 0,463
            Montreal 0,415
            Valencia 0,188

            Again: hundredths? On average it’s over four tenths. It’s more than just ballast distribution.

          • @ HoHum – I agree that vettel has always had an advantage because of ballast distribution. It probably gives Vettel a more balanced car and could explain why Webber (who was expected to be the smoother driver of the two) has problems keeping his tyres in shape.

            I wonder why commentators don’t address or acknowledge this difference at all?

            I also agree that Vettel probably found it easier to get to grips with all the new controls, but I think Webber would work hard to get up speed if he acknowledged it was his weak point.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 26th June 2011, 14:50

            I wonder why commentators don’t address or acknowledge this difference at all?

            Because if the gap’s an average of 4 tenths, it can’t be blamed entirely on ballast.

  2. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 25th June 2011, 14:15

    I do think the gap has come down. Red Bull just generally have a good car for qualifying – earlier DRS and switching on the tyres better. The real test will come at Silverstone.

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 25th June 2011, 14:21

      The real test for who? I’d have thought Silverstone would suit the Red Bulls more! Or are you referring the the EBDs?

      • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 25th June 2011, 14:27

        The diffusers yes. Particularly in the race, as it’s a prime Red Bull circuit.

        • Redxibi said on 25th June 2011, 14:50

          I’m expecting to see the difference mostly in qualifying. In race trim, they do not seem to be using any special setting as their lap times, at times are actually slower than McLaren and Ferrari.

          I agree that the gap has come down too.

          • dennis said on 25th June 2011, 15:38

            The gap to Vettel is now .4 of a second in the qualifing. Which is .1 closer than the average so far. And that on a circuit that isn’t a Red Bull aero-wonderland.

    • Hatebreeder said on 25th June 2011, 17:15

      And I think Mclaren n ferrari didnt try hard. Cause they are usually faster when it comes to race pace.

  3. kenneth Ntulume said on 25th June 2011, 14:15

    All Red Bull front row. Yet again we are going to see the finger…” damnnnn

    • Daniel said on 25th June 2011, 14:31

      Better than seeing MASSA jump around BECAUSE HES PASSIONATE. GIVE HIM THE TITLE, SO MUCH PASSION.

    • David BR said on 25th June 2011, 14:49

      Don’t think so. Red Bull will come under big pressure in the race I think. Also with the number of tyre changes and DRS swapping driver positions round, could well see a safety car.

      • I too think they will be under pressure in the race. Story of the season so far. Wouldn’t surprise me if we saw Hamilton on the top step of the podium at the end of the race.

  4. Gustav said on 25th June 2011, 14:17

    Stop giving penalties to Hamilton, he is the only one remotely capable of challenging the Red Bulls!

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:19

      Jenson Button proved perfectly capable of beating Vettel in Canada.

      • mattr said on 25th June 2011, 14:42

        button is rarely able to beat lewis.he needs lewis to have a bad luck to beat him.
        last season he beat lewis 5 times.4 of those times were when lewis got a dnf.
        this season he’s relied on more lewis bad luck to beat him.
        in malaysia lewis didnt have enough good tyres for the race-button beat him.
        in monaco hamiltons race was ruined in quali-button beat him.
        in canada lewis got a dnf-button beat him.
        so buttons best races have been hamiltons worst this season.
        but in quali its 6-2 to lewis.and since they became team mates lewis has beat button twice as many times.
        button is capable of great races,like the 2 he had last season,and the one he had this season(all 3 wins in the same conditions).but he’s not capable of driving well enough consistently to beat lewis over a season.so he has less chance of beating vettel than lewis does.
        sorry button fans.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:50

          button is rarely able to beat lewis.

          And yet, Button is ahead of Hamilton in this year’s WCC standings.

          • Simon said on 25th June 2011, 15:24

            As was the case last year early on. Who would you put your money on to be ahead by the end of the season?

            Both Mclaren drivers are capable of finishing ahead of each other, but Lewis has proven to have the edge over a whole season in equal machinary (even with a more cavalier attitude).

          • Bigbadderboom said on 25th June 2011, 15:28

            Yep, it’s ok being flamboyant, aggressive and have an attacking style, but there are no points for these things, only your finishing position. The old tortoise and the hare fable comes to mind with Jenson and Lewis.

          • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 25th June 2011, 15:48

            Not necesary to be worried about Button beating Ham or not. Last year (and this one) Lewis is beating himself, and finishing races has proved to be Button’s best skill against Mad Lewis

          • Geoff332 said on 25th June 2011, 16:14

            Hamilton’s driving has always been a bit faster. But Button’s driving has always been a bit smarter. This, year, Button’s driving has been a lot smarter than Hamilton’s. If that stays the same over the rest of the season (which is seems likely it will), then Button will be comfortably ahead at the end of the season. If Hamilton gets smarter (or, more accurately, less dumb), then he might get ahead of Button.

          • Simon said on 25th June 2011, 16:52

            @Geoff332 – I can only assume you’ve formed that opinion over the last 2 races? What about the previous 5 races of this year, not to mention last season?

            Too many people are far too quick to make assumptions based on what’s happened in the very recent past (both positives and negatives).

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th June 2011, 20:14

          mattr your arguments are directly opposed to your conclusions

        • @ mattr.

          That’s pretty much it. Button doesn’t appear to be quite there in terms of raw pace in comparison to Hamilton (though it’s close). However when difficult decisions have to be made in variable conditions, he invariably trumps. Trouble is that, on balance, that’s just not going to be enough for a sustained championship challenge. I should also add that I would love for him to prove me wrong!

      • SupaSix-1 said on 25th June 2011, 15:27

        …with major thanks to bernd maylander and the safetycar for coming out everytime jenson fell back.

      • dennis said on 25th June 2011, 15:38

        He is quick, but too inconsitent over the course of a season.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:21

      Also, when did Hamilton get penalised in Valencia?

      He shouldn’t be allowed to get away with breaking the rules just because he’s fast.

      • Gustav said on 25th June 2011, 14:33

        I will tell you when they are done in Valencia :). Most of his penalties are too debatable and caused by unnecessary hard defending from much slower cars. Jenson Button was being chased like a turtle by a cat in Canada before he forced Hamilton into the wall.

        • Toro Stevo said on 25th June 2011, 14:37

          Yes. F1 would be much better if all those slow cars stopped trying to defend position and let Lord Hamilton through.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:42

          Jenson Button was being chased like a turtle by a cat in Canada before he forced Hamilton into the wall.

          The stewards disagreed with you. When they released details of the verdict after the race, they said Button did not change his racing line from previous laps, and nor did he change it from the previous driver through. The line he took was the line he would be expected to take.

          Lewis Hamilton’s greatest enemy is not the stewards (whatever you might like to think). Lewis Hamilton’s greatest enemy is Lewis Hamilton. He needs to calm down, get his act together and start using his head – his incidents in Monaco and Canada were clearly a direct result of him simply trying too hard and over-driving the car.

          Take Monaco for exmple: everyone was up in arms because Hamilton got a drive-through for the contact with Massa. But Paul di Resta had done exactly the same thing a few laps previously, and no-one batted an eyelid at the verdict. Hamilton doesn’t get a free pass because he’s Hamilton, whatever the fans think.

          • Gustav said on 25th June 2011, 16:15

            The stewards (lead by Fittipaldi who said prior to the Canadian grand prix that Lewis was too aggressive) apparently think it is ok to squeeze an opponent up against a wall with 250 km/h if you can excuse yourself with not having seen him. Hamilton had a wheel alongside Button and couldn’t go left. How can it not be Button’s fault? Is it okay to weave into another car if he is in your racing line?

            You quote me on “Jenson Button was being chased like a turtle by a cat”, that he was, just look at the laptimes. Button is no match for Hamilton as has been proved so many times.

          • Becken Lima (@becken-lima) said on 25th June 2011, 16:26

            You must be bored with Vettel´s pole to create a pointless debate around Lewis and Jenson form.

            Everybody knows who will be in front in the end of the season.

          • The Ram (@the-ram) said on 25th June 2011, 16:53

            makes Jenson look even worse that Hamilton is not using his head and is still going to beat him again this season doesn’t it?

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 26th June 2011, 2:54

            Hamilton had a wheel alongside Button and couldn’t go left. How can it not be Button’s fault? Is it okay to weave into another car if he is in your racing line?

            Because Hamilton put a wheel alongside him, knowing that he couldn’t go left.

        • Q85 said on 25th June 2011, 15:08

          remember valencia last year. he got away with it big time!

          if it wasnt for fernando(rightly) kicking off they wouldnt even bothered to give him a penalty.

      • Kodongo said on 25th June 2011, 14:41

        But the thing is, Jenson was allowed to get away with breaking the rules in Canada. If, perchance, it had been Sebastien Vettel who had ended the races of Hamilton and Alonso, I think he would’ve recieved 1, if not 2 post race penalties.

        The outcome is obvious:

        Jenson wins: Vettel 161, Button 101 (60 point gap)
        Jenson penalised: Vettel 168, Webber 97 (71 points gap) (not sure of the maths).

        The post race decision was made to improve the ‘show’.

        To a certain extent, I can pardon the Monaco penalties (at least the Massa one) because they were in the heat of the moment.

        Can you explain to me how Hamilton got a dangerous driving penalty for slightly weaving on a 22m wide track because it could provoke an accident, then Maldonado weaves in front of Hamilton on the tightest track in F1 which does lead to an accident, and again Hamilton gets penalised?

        Also, I fail to understand how Hamilton weaving in front of Alonso in Malaysia was more dangerous than Button hitting Alonso in Canada (remembering that both of these were decisions taken by stewards after the race had finished).

        Sometimes, F1 needs to remember it is a sport first, and a show second; at least for the sake of its integrity.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:49

          But the thing is, Jenson was allowed to get away with breaking the rules in Canada.

          Sorry, but this just reeks of a conspiracy theory concocted by Hamilton fans because Lord Lewis of Hamilton can do no wrong. If Hamilton smothered a puppy on live television tomorrow and announced to the world his deep-seeded hatred of all puppies, I’m sure the fans would be able to explain it away. Hamilton needs to start taking responsibility for his action on track, and his fans need to accept the fact that he is repsonsible.

          Like I said, the stewards explained their actions in issuing certain penaltied in Montreal, explanations that are supported by video evidence.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 25th June 2011, 15:00

            I know you live in Oz, but resorting to Straw Men is ridiculous.

            I don’t agree with Kodongo that Jenson has been treated specially. I think he was treated correctly – unlike Hamilton or di Resta, in my HUMBLE opinion. But come up with something better than name-calling and ridiculous scenarios.

        • SupaSix-1 said on 25th June 2011, 15:40

          well said kodongo.

          Lewis gets quickly penalised when other drivers who pull similar moves get away scot free. The FIA are punishing the guys who make f1 exciting (the Hamiltons & kobayashis) and instead rewarding the drivers who prefer bottling out and following the others around waiting for the guy ahead to take himself and his oponents out.

          -well I guess some people prefer things to be handed on a plate to them.

          The FIA are discouraging drivers to push themselves by capping the driver’s skill levels – remarkably instead, the FIA are encouraging the use of fake gimmicks and button-pressing to beat the guys ahead.

          2 DRS zones let alone one is totally ridiculous and farcicle – Canada was ruined for it.

          Take everything away & just leave it to the pirellis!

      • Patrickl said on 25th June 2011, 14:43

        Didn’t Hamilton get a drive-through last year after the safety car made an error coming over the pit exit line?

        • Rok said on 25th June 2011, 15:06

          The safety car didn’t make an error, Hamilton did. He passed the safety car after the first SC line, which he isn’t allowed to do.

          Seem as Lewis fans are rather keen on forgetting the facts… Maybe that’s why, he is never to blame…

          • SupaSix-1 said on 25th June 2011, 16:10

            Dont be ridiculous mate – as a Hamilton fan I certainly acknowledge that all drivers (inc Lewis) and all people can make mistakes – have you ever made any mistakes? Especially when you are racing at 200mph with mili-seconds to make decisions and quick reaction times.

            As a Hamilton fan I love the guy cos he doesnt play the safe option all the time and trundle around behind others – he fights cos he has that fire in him. And hes right – he wouldnt be the phenomenon he is if he wasnt like that and off course it goes without saying that a driver who makes more overtakes and moves will inevitably have a slightly higher rate than others to be involved in incidences – In Hamilton’s case he pulls of the majority and its certainly been worth it.

            I think alot of other fans tend to have alot of gripe with Hamilton fans as Hamilton fans except the positives AND also the negatives. They are not like most fans who are only there during the glory times but when things dont go right…they become petulant and shoot their own favorite driver down.

            I also dont like bullies and people who continually pick on individuals and Hamilton certainly has recieved some nasty abuse – this makes me even more defensive of Lewis as I never side with bullies – I fight them instead.

            However the OTT levels of scrutiny on Lewis is also a big confirmation of Lewis’ massive status as the best F1 driver – senna went through it so has schumacher. And the following words were from another massive F1 legend….fangio on what makes a real racer:

            “There are those who keep out of mischief and there are the adventurers. Racers are adventurers – the more difficult something is the greater the attraction. He said this when talking with schumacher.

            As anthony davidson said on friday…its easy for people like us to sit back in our armchairs and critisize & call things in black and white…but if you were in that car you wouldnt even be able to keep it idling.

            Bottom line is that if Lewis was as bad as the haters say he is – then (A) why are they constantly needing to talk about him. & (B) why is he always the biggest news in F1??

            -Because he IS the best.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th June 2011, 16:34

            I think alot of other fans tend to have alot of gripe with Hamilton fans as Hamilton fans except the positives AND also the negatives. They are not like most fans who are only there during the glory times but when things dont go right…they become petulant and shoot their own favorite driver down.

            That’s a poor attempt to bash fans of other drivers. Let’s face it, all drivers have similar proportions of “glory” fans and true fans.

  5. Rob said on 25th June 2011, 14:18

    This is shaping up to be a good race.

  6. will_hines (@will_hines) said on 25th June 2011, 14:19

    Much, much smaller gap than usual. Promising for Silverstone!

    • Sally said on 25th June 2011, 14:37

      The gap will be much bigger at Silverstone. This track does not suit the RB7.

    • Patrickl said on 25th June 2011, 14:42

      Last year RB had 4 tenths in Valencia and this year again.

      • will_hines (@will_hines) said on 25th June 2011, 15:02

        We will see. They seem a little tentative over the rule changes of late.

      • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 25th June 2011, 17:38

        But in the races it seems closer. Let’s hope for a lack of well-timed to mess up a real fight for podiums Safety Car this year, so we have talk about an on track battle between HAM and Alonso (for the lead, let Vettel have a flat or something) instead of punishment comparisons.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th June 2011, 19:21

          I would love for Webber to be able to overtake Vettel soon and then Hamilton or Alonso getting good for a look in as well!

          Lets hope it will be the first really exiting Valencia race (I wanted to say memorable, but last year already was, but not for the best of reasons).

    • King Six said on 25th June 2011, 16:31

      If you look at the gaps from Qualifying last year and compare it with this year, it’s actually remarkably similar.

  7. damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 25th June 2011, 14:20

    Just over a tenth slower than my pole prediction… :( At least I picked the right guy this time! :P

  8. Eggry (@eggry) said on 25th June 2011, 14:20

    Oh, please!! Anyway I estimated pole time as 01:35.967 and it’s the closest ever I’ve made! in mind I hope Alonso pole but my brain chose Vettel. Instead I chose Alonso as winner. Go!

  9. Josh said on 25th June 2011, 14:24

    It’s so annoying when only 8 drivers set a time to save tyres…anyone else cheesed off about it?!

  10. YUTAO said on 25th June 2011, 14:25

    utterly awful

  11. cfenichi (@cfenichi) said on 25th June 2011, 14:26

    How come Vettel leaves the pits last?
    He’s got the best car and the best conditions (running last), why don’t McLaren or Ferrari send theri drivers after Vettel?

    • Trix (@) said on 25th June 2011, 14:42

      It’s a matter of the amount of risk you take. If Vettel stays in but you don’t have at least a hot lap in, you could find yourself in the unfortunate position of not even being able to set a time should something happen on track since you’d been waiting to go out after him, for example.

      The drivers are not just fighting Vettel. They are also battling it out to be as close to the top as possible and everyone wants to make it to P2 if P1 appears out of reach.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th June 2011, 20:31

      Only to make sure Mark doesn’t get pole.

  12. rfs said on 25th June 2011, 14:27

    Vettel’s career percentage of pole position starts is now 5th highest of all time. There are some pretty illustrious names ahead of him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_driver_records#Percentage_pole_positions

    • Most illuminating statistic – Most races before first win.

      Just goes to show what a difference a competitive car makes.

    • stuart crooks said on 25th June 2011, 17:23

      5 british guys on this list, shows that british drivers including lewis hamilton are the best in the world
      (or maybe just used to be with 5 germans in the top 10 this weekend)

  13. nemo87 (@nemo87) said on 25th June 2011, 14:28

    I think the mapping changes will take more effect during the race. should be good.

    high hopes for McLaren :)

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:36

      I think the mapping changes will take more effect during the race.

      I don’t think so. The ban prevents teams from running different engine maps in qualifying and the race. They run extreme maps in qualifying to get better lap times, but turn them down for the race because running those extreme maps for an extended period of time is dangerous and can damage the engine. So we won’t see any ripple effects in the race.

      • nemo87 (@nemo87) said on 25th June 2011, 14:40

        just thought maybe red bull knowing they have the car for qualifying had the mapping swinging slightly more towards the qualifying setting just because it would be easier for them to defend from the front rather than fight from the back.. if you get me?

        • Patrickl said on 25th June 2011, 14:44

          They can still change the engine mapping from the cockpit though.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:45

          No, because the difference between qualifying and race maps is extreme. The race maps will be as close to the limit as the teams will dare to run them; even if they only do twelve to fifteen laps on a higher setting, it can damage the engine.

      • Sally said on 25th June 2011, 14:47

        Who says that it is dangerous and can damage the engine? I highly doubt that it does. With limited engines I doubt that even for qualifying they would risk damaging the engine for a couple of tenths when they are ahead by more than enough not to use it, as we have seen today on a track that doesn’t suit the car. My bet would be that if it didn’t use a lot more fuel they would run the same mapping during the race.

        • Sally said on 25th June 2011, 14:50

          Also you, nor I, nor anybody that’s not an RBR mechanic know the details of what they are actually doing with the timing retardation so everything that is said about it is merely speculation.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 25th June 2011, 14:52

          Who says that it is dangerous and can damage the engine? I highly doubt that it does.

          What other explanation do you have for it? If the most extreme engine maps are perfectly sae to run for extended periods, why don’t the teams run them for entire races, given the obvious advantages?

          • Sally said on 25th June 2011, 15:17

            Simple. Fuel. Renault said they used 10% more fuel in the race than they did the previous year in Australia running their race off throttle setup. Don’t really have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that it would take more than 10% fuel if they run the setup they run in Q3. I doubt the teams could even fit that much fuel in their cars.

          • fullthrottle said on 25th June 2011, 15:23

            My bet would be that if it didn’t use a lot more fuel they would run the same mapping during the race.

          • Quin10-10 said on 25th June 2011, 15:25

            PM,I believe it’s mainly because of excessive fuel consumption.

  14. Mr JoeBlack said on 25th June 2011, 14:29

    0.009 difference betwenn Micheal and Rosberg.
    i believe the time had come to start seeing Shumy in front of Rosberg.
    tomorrow its gonna be a tough race for everybody.
    I’m expecting Red Bull to have some bad luck, they cant have perfect races all the season!!!

    • Trix (@) said on 25th June 2011, 14:43

      They haven’t had perfect races all season long, though, mind you… They even got some major pit stop issues in Monaco, if you remember.

      • alex said on 25th June 2011, 18:10

        In a few months/years people will look back and think that vettels’s victories were easy, as he did not have to fight for them.

    • Aussie Fan said on 26th June 2011, 8:27

      Well MS mentioned he made a mistake on his lap so would have been faster but for that, ROS didn’t mention any mistakes he just said they were both where the car should be…

  15. Oliver said on 25th June 2011, 14:30

    Business as usual.

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