Mark Webber, Red Bull, Silverstone, 2011

Red Bull: Webber made a number two driver again

2011 British GP team reviewPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Mark Webber’s famous words at last year’s British Grand Prix – “not bad for a number two driver” – took on a new significance after this year’s race.

Webber refused to heed an order from the team not to try to overtake Sebastian Vettel at the end of the race.

“I wanted points for the championship too and we proved that we can race without making contact,” he said.

Sebastian Vettel Mark Webber
Qualifying position 2 1
Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’30.431 (+0.032) 1’30.399
Race position 2 3
Laps 52/52 52/52
Pit stops 3 3

Red Bull drivers’ lap times throughout the race (in seconds):
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52
Sebastian Vettel 114.623 110.924 110.838 111.013 111.421 111.692 111.323 110.939 110.51 110.371 110.3 110.165 107.383 128.736 104.617 101.672 101.555 100.102 100.29 99.912 99.317 99.488 99.21 99.048 98.818 98.529 96.102 124.626 97.346 97.756 97.852 97.464 97.884 97.871 97.572 94.551 113.211 95.565 96.247 96.419 97.229 96.853 96.295 96.38 96.633 96.764 96.826 96.782 96.738 97.039 98.385 98.521
Mark Webber 115.759 112.126 111.944 111.713 111.913 112.539 111.653 112.585 111.588 109.988 110.005 108.704 128.194 104.828 102.571 102.018 102.376 100.891 100.253 99.796 99.882 100.179 99.299 98.83 98.897 96.771 121.532 98.086 97.394 97.558 97.519 97.384 98.952 97.643 98.02 97.942 97.469 94.503 115.078 95.674 97.09 95.905 95.717 96.276 96.709 96.358 96.241 95.843 95.665 95.968 97.879 98.436
Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Silverstone, 2011
Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Silverstone, 2011

Sebastian Vettel

Missed out on pole position for only the second time this year, as Webber pipped him by 0.032s.

But it looked like business as usual as Vettel took the lead at the start and had an eight-and-a-half second cushion after just nine laps.

The team brought Webber in for his first pit stop before Vettel – that allowed Webber to stay in front of Fernando Alonso, but cut five seconds out of Vettel’s lead.

Vettel was delayed by a rear jack problem at his second pit stop, dropping him to third behind Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.

He made several attempts to pass Hamilton, attacking the McLaren especially hard through Woodcote, but couldn’t find a way past and was losing a lot of time.

The team cut his third stint short – just 11 laps – and brought him in for his final stop early, to jump ahead of Hamilton.

This worked, but towards the end of his final stint he was being caught quickly by Webber, partly due to Vettel experiencing another KERS problem on the RB7.

Although the team ordered Webber not to pass Vettel, Webber pressed on and challenged Vettel for second on the final lap.

Vettel brushed off the incident, saying in the press conference afterwards: “I tried to stay ahead. Obviously, we were racing each other. I don?t think there?s anything wrong with that.

“Sure, from a team point of view, if you have the cars quite isolated in second and third, the first car is away, the fourth car is pretty far away as well, so from the team?s point of view, there?s no point in racing and trying to do something stupid because the points for the team are the same, the difference between second and third is not massive, but naturally we try to race.

“What can I say? I was trying to defend my position which I did. I was struggling, Mark was faster. And then there was the chequered flag.”

Sebastian Vettel 2011 form guide

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Silverstone, 2011
Mark Webber, Red Bull, Silverstone, 2011

Mark Webber

Webber’s performance at Silverstone leant weight to the theory that Vettel is able to better exploit the hot-blown diffusers Webber is.

With the systems subject to new restrictions at Silverstone, Webber beat Vettel in a straight fight in qualifying for the first time this year (Webber’s previous pole position at Spain came as Vettel had problems with his KERS).

Unfortunately for Webber, the restrictions are set to be lifted at the next race.

He lost the lead to Vettel at the start – Webber said afterwards he felt the right-hand side of the grid offered better grip.

He came under pressure from Alonso but after they pitted together on lap 13 for slicks he was able to pull away from the Ferrari.

Webber had a similar problem to Vettel’s at his second pit stop. He also said he made a mistake at Becketts on his in-lap. This wasn’t his only such error – he also ran wide at Chapel on lap 33.

His pit stop problems left him running behind Vettel, chasing Hamilton. After his third and final pit stop he passed Hamilton on the Wellington straight.

Now came the controversial moment of the race as the flying Webber reeled in Vettel by over a second per lap. According to Webber, the team began telling him to hold position around four or five laps from the end of the race, at which point he was three to four seconds behind his team mate.

Webber ignored the instruction, and around the final laps he tested Vettel’s defences, looking for a way past, even trying the outside line at Woodcote before thinking better of it.

He had to settle for third place in the end, but was unimpressed with Red Bull’s team orders: “The team radioed me about four times, asking that I maintain the gap to Seb.

“But I wasn?t happy with that because you should never give up in F1, so I continued to push. If Fernando had retired on the last lap, we would have been battling for the lead.

“The team was worried about Seb and me crashing because it wanted the points for the constructors’ championship. I understand that, but I wanted points for the championship too and we proved that we can race without making contact.”

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  1. If Webber ignored the orders then it’s the first time in, i guess, a year or so that he’s impressed me.

    I’m afraid for him though that he’s been beaten for two years by a far less experienced team-mate so can only expect to be a well estabished no.2 at RBR now and will faced with such orders again.

  2. I gotta say, I think Webber did exactly the right thing. He’s currently 80 points behind Seb, and almost no one can challenge Seb for the WDC right now, so why the hell not take a little bit of a risk and actually RACE?! These guys are the best drivers in the world and if contact occurs, it’s certainly not planned contact. Plus, if any team can afford to lose all of their WCC and WDC points for a race, it’s Red Bull.

    I’m not against team orders or anything, but let the man race! He got himself in a position to battle his teammate, so he deserves to have a go at overtaking him.

  3. Luke Pitman
    12th July 2011, 21:45

    I think red bull were wrong, Vettel and Webber are both very sensible drivers and they have a huge car advantage and are so far ahead they dont need to worry about points. Plus this has a poor effect on both drivers, Webbers gonna turn up at the next race and think well im not allowed to win anyway. And Vettel must be thinking Mark was clearly faster at the end of the race and outqualified me he deserves 2nd. I really think this was mis management by redbull and will disrupt the rest of there season. Not that i disagree with team orders for example if mcclaren had been in this situation i’d say fairplay right thing to do.

    1. I’d like to think they were sensible drivers but Istanbul 2010 is never far away. I’m thinking that’s the view that Red Bull took as a team. It’s a bit tragic they can’t trust their drivers not to crash…but you can’t fault their honesty there!

  4. A good result for Red Bull. Bit of a disaster for Red Bull in the pits but it was bound to happen sooner or later, at least they didn’t do a Force India!

    As for team orders? It’s part of F1. I came into this sport looking at it from a team point of view, not a driver point of view. What suits the team is ultimately what is more important.

  5. Seriously! Do people and Mark Webber have selective memory?!? How come Mark was ok with team orders when on Turkey 09 was Sebastian the one that was told to “hold his position” and literally that “Mark is faster than you”. (Seb was ahead of Mark at this point on WDC points and even so they protected Mark).

    Is you are gonna attack team orders direct the attack to the team not to the driver, as I know Sebastian didn´t ask his tem to told Mark not to attack and he defended (contrary at what Damon Hill did back on 1998 to Ralph Schumacher on Belgium running for Eddie Jordan).

    Mateschitz has told that this kind of situation are addressed in a meeting before the race, and that’s mean that before the race during the meeting Webber and Vettel both agree with this rules, but on race Webber changed his mind what a lousy team player. And before you go attacking Mateschitz he is supporting Webber and said he will hired him again for next year (I´m a business manager and this blows my mind because I will fired a problematic guy like this on the act).

    1. Celeste, a look at the lap times will show you that Webber obeyed the main point of the team orders, not to pass, but you can’t blame him for showing the world that he could have, despite his PR based statement after the race.

  6. Seriously, if Alonson, Hamilton, and Button can’t beat Vettel, Webber is the only one who still have a chance. Wow! can’t believe i saying that after Webbber stole Schumi’s possible podium.

  7. Ofcourse Christian Horner is a hypocrite, all the team bosses usually are. The thing is Mark Webber is smart enough to know the score, he knows there is very little he can do about it, and thats that.
    Every now and again though, Mark likes to remind us just how talented he is and there is nothing wrong with that. We saw that with Rubens Barrichello and David Coulthard years ago, when they were up against team mates who had ‘team leader’ status. I don’t think the teams’ like it, because ‘they’ want us to believe that line about everything ‘being equal’ among the drivers.
    Hogwash! Everyone who follows motor racing knows that is nothing but propaganda. The problem Webber has is where would he go if he left Red Bull? Ferrari or McLaren are highly unlikely choices. It would certainly be one of the backmarker teams and Webber is too good for that and he knows it. He would be cutting his nose off to spite his face!

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